END ALL to ZPI Stage 0 performance *vid soon*

[rhythmnsmoke]

When it comes to information on performance concerning the Stage 0 from ZPI, the information is rather lack luster. We have dyno vids from ZPI on it from ZPI (but we all know how many naysayers say that they are rigged). Other than the dyno vid, there really isn't any definitive proof of it's performance. That's ALL about to change. One of our crew members just got his Stage 0 installed. The only additions he added were the E-manage and HKS Bov.
There are no real world information on how it performs on the Street until now. Not even close to half of our crew took a trip up to ZPI yesterday. We were rolling 8 cars deep. With all xB's and tC's. So, on the way back home, we pitted Louis' Stage 0 against Rich (blownupmarine).


Following specs:


Louis(noob turbo driver) + 2 Passengers

Stage 0
Axle back exhaust
Optional Emanage (tuned rich for safety, as Kenny usually does)
Optional BOV

Rich (blownupmarine) + 1 Passenger

TRD S/Cer
DC sports Header
Injen Intake
Borla Exhaust
ZPI lightweight Crank Pulley
ZPI 9 PSI S/C'er pulley
ZPI Street/Strip Clutch
Dynoed at 238whp


By no means is it a stock S/Cer. Because we were all rolling together, and had passengers tag along. Louis had 2 extra passengers with him. And Rich had 1.

Race 1) Both had a good start, with Louis coming out on top by maybe a fender. (Camera angle only caught from the rear)

Race 2) Louis is still trying to get used to driving a with a turbo, and I was describing how to brake boost it, however, being a noob, of course he isn't going to get this on the first try. He couldn't hear the honking, and the race ensued with Louis screwing up the brake boost, giving Rich the win by a fender.

Race 3) I advised Louis that he is going to have to learn brake boosting somewhere where it was secluded and he could practice, but this aint the time.... :rofl: So, I told him to get one more run in, and just mash it on GO. When they passed our view, it looked to be Louis had him by Half a car. Rich said he didn't get a good start on this one.

Vids will be uploaded soon. I don't have any good camera angles but I will put up what I got. We of course will have to set up some races with just 1 passenger each, with the video camera IN the car so we can get a better view. And the guys will have a REAL no worries go at it. But there you have it. ZPI Stage 0 Out of the Box performance. Now that we have a Stage 0 in our crew, we will provide vids from a list of cars to compare it's REAL World performance on the street too.

[Krdshrk]

The fuel management and bov make it more than a stage 0 though... I'd like to see what it runs without the management.

[rhythmnsmoke]

The fuel management and bov make it more than a stage 0 though... I'd like to see what it runs without the management.


LOL...that's the same response I got over on SL. These additional components are still all optional. BOV's are not Peformance increasing mods so they are negligible. The optional E-manage does not equate to some GREAT power producing mod, therefore if you asked me, that too would be negligible. A Stage 0 with or without management still puts you within the ball park of 230whp.

Lets keep in mind also, that's not exactly a Stock out of the dealership S/C'er setup either..

[slimsdizz]

I don't normally chime in here because I am not a fan of emanage or tuning a car rich. I would rather have it tuned right then have to run rich but I have to agree with you that the bov and emanage are negligable. ZPI seems to be making some progress here which is good. In the world of tuning cars they are still a fairley young comany but I honestley don't believe they would rig a video. The only TC I know of making huge power is owned by Rice toyota the guy who owns it sits on toyotas board of directors. The car is on regular display at the dealership when they run promotions and it has a Motec sytem in it which to me is outrageousley expensive but he wanted to hit the 400whp mark with the TC. I will get you guys some pics sometime as I am not a huge TC fan owning an XA. I really haven't paid that much attention to it. To me for the money he has in the car and tuning he could have gotten something better but he wanted to prove a point I guess. So congrats and I encourage you guys to keep at it until it's perfect and taken as far as you can go with emanage. TC+motec=turbo kit and other patrts=R32 skyline at 632whp so to me what he did didn't make sense. I however hope they release the scion fuse turbo and i will buy one of them in a heartbeat I like the look alot better.

[rhythmnsmoke]

^^Motec is hella expensive. But he didn't need Motec to make 400whp though, just more boost...hehee.

[Krdshrk]

I dunno - I find that fuel management + tuning is the main thing that's needed when going F/I in our tC's. I don't doubt the numbers that the Stage 0 puts down, but what I consider is the reliability. I ran on the stock ECU for a week when my emanage was down and it got me a fouled O2 Sensor. I don't ever want to do that again.

The fact that the Stage 0 kit is touted as being reliable without fuel management still gets to me. I'm glad your friend was smart enough to go with the Emanage.

[Souljah]

LOL...that's the same response I got over on SL. These additional components are still all optional. BOV's are not Peformance increasing mods so they are negligible. The optional E-manage does not equate to some GREAT power producing mod, therefore if you asked me, that too would be negligible. A Stage 0 with or without management still puts you within the ball park of 230whp.

Lets keep in mind also, that's not exactly a Stock out of the dealership S/C'er setup either..

but it does keep the A/F's nice and safe. don't get me wrong, i'm not one of those zpi haters, i have the s-pipe and i'm waiting for the motor mounts. i just don't think any turbo kit should be sold without FM.

[slimsdizz]

I don't hate any company whther it be going to a resteraunt or buying car parts there are certain things I expect. The bottom line to me has always been quality workmanship and customer service thats what makes a good company to me. I will give examples I walk into say an audio shop and I start getting the feeling of cockyness thats when I walk out. I feel any shop should be open to new ideas an innovative and creative. I work at a performance shop and when I can get away from the phone I watch my boss. I never say a word I'm ASE master certified i said to myself when I started working there i graduated top of my class from UTI. I spent a week in the shop and quickley learned I didn't know crap about tuning high end turbo cars. I've been there five years now and have seen probabley a thousand cars come and go so I have a basic idea of what works and what doesn't. And I figured out why my boss has a three month waighting list just to get in the doors it's because he has set some of the best records and built some of the fastest cars in drag racing and indy. He has nothing to prove to anyone and he will not hesitate to tell a custoer they are an idiot for buying a certain part and putting it on their car. Time and time again I see cars that have been tuned by somone else come to him that come in with issues and every single one leaves with the problems fixed and most of the time alot more horsepower. Honestley if i were to hand my boss emanage he would probley throw it in a garbage can he is a firm beliver in standalones and he can tune man can he tune. My Xa will be the first one I know of to go stanalone and we will see how that plays out against emanage because the numbers and track times don't lie. I am glad people are improving the maps on emanage but I talked with my boss about them and he said eventually it's like hitting a brick wall you just can't go any further and I tend to believe a man with 35 years experience and track proven records. I honestley think eventually the prices in standalones will come down enough people will switch to them and then they will be able to control fuel and boost better and in turn make more power. My take on Emanage is this all these companies rushed kits to the market when the scion hit and standalones were just to expensive so emange was an option where they could give people some gains for their money and it worked. Not to mention inspection issues I don't knock any company for writing better maps for emange or building turbo kits and selling them I just wish there were some people who would go the moe expensive route like i am slowley doing to compare the results. I don't see any of the echo guys running emange setups not one and alot of those guys are making over 200whp on stock internalls with the 1NZFE engine thats in the Xa and the XB. I am following them to the letter with my fuel setup for my car. i just think our older cousins with the echo's have it down cold tuning the XA and XB motors and we have gotten into this emange rut thats been the problem I have had with it since day 1. I know there is a better way the echo guys have already proved it but yet peole still swear by emanage like it's a godsend which gets my goat everytime because to me it's just not doing it right. now thats how I feel about the XA and the XB like I said I have not paid much attention to the TC but I am glad people are pushing the emanage further than the original programs i just know inside it could be done better a diffrent way. so thats my opinion and everyone has one.

[rhythmnsmoke]

but it does keep the A/F's nice and safe. don't get me wrong, i'm not one of those zpi haters, i have the s-pipe and i'm waiting for the motor mounts. i just don't think any turbo kit should be sold without FM.


No worries, it's optional. If it bothers you, you can always just purchase it...:mrviolet:

[rhythmnsmoke]

I don't hate any company whther it be going to a resteraunt or buying car parts there are certain things I expect. The bottom line to me has always been quality workmanship and customer service thats what makes a good company to me. I will give examples I walk into say an audio shop and I start getting the feeling of cockyness thats when I walk out. I feel any shop should be open to new ideas an innovative and creative. I work at a performance shop and when I can get away from the phone I watch my boss. I never say a word I'm ASE master certified i said to myself when I started working there i graduated top of my class from UTI. I spent a week in the shop and quickley learned I didn't know crap about tuning high end turbo cars. I've been there five years now and have seen probabley a thousand cars come and go so I have a basic idea of what works and what doesn't. And I figured out why my boss has a three month waighting list just to get in the doors it's because he has set some of the best records and built some of the fastest cars in drag racing and indy. He has nothing to prove to anyone and he will not hesitate to tell a custoer they are an idiot for buying a certain part and putting it on their car. Time and time again I see cars that have been tuned by somone else come to him that come in with issues and every single one leaves with the problems fixed and most of the time alot more horsepower. Honestley if i were to hand my boss emanage he would probley throw it in a garbage can he is a firm beliver in standalones and he can tune man can he tune. My Xa will be the first one I know of to go stanalone and we will see how that plays out against emanage because the numbers and track times don't lie. I am glad people are improving the maps on emanage but I talked with my boss about them and he said eventually it's like hitting a brick wall you just can't go any further and I tend to believe a man with 35 years experience and track proven records. I honestley think eventually the prices in standalones will come down enough people will switch to them and then they will be able to control fuel and boost better and in turn make more power. My take on Emanage is this all these companies rushed kits to the market when the scion hit and standalones were just to expensive so emange was an option where they could give people some gains for their money and it worked. Not to mention inspection issues I don't knock any company for writing better maps for emange or building turbo kits and selling them I just wish there were some people who would go the moe expensive route like i am slowley doing to compare the results. I don't see any of the echo guys running emange setups not one and alot of those guys are making over 200whp on stock internalls with the 1NZFE engine thats in the Xa and the XB. I am following them to the letter with my fuel setup for my car. i just think our older cousins with the echo's have it down cold tuning the XA and XB motors and we have gotten into this emange rut thats been the problem I have had with it since day 1. I know there is a better way the echo guys have already proved it but yet peole still swear by emanage like it's a godsend which gets my goat everytime because to me it's just not doing it right. now thats how I feel about the XA and the XB like I said I have not paid much attention to the TC but I am glad people are pushing the emanage further than the original programs i just know inside it could be done better a diffrent way. so thats my opinion and everyone has one.


Ok, did I miss something? What does any of what you just wrote have to do with my thread? I think it would have been best served if you just created your own thread to discuss what YOU think is the Uber tuning solution. Not to flame you or anything, I just thought it had nothing to do with "Performance capability of the Stage 0".

[Nebster]

no you're right that has nothing to do with this thread.

[J3ST3R]

I don't normally chime in here because I am not a fan of emanage or tuning a car rich. I would rather have it tuned right then have to run rich but I have to agree with you that the bov and emanage are negligable. ZPI seems to be making some progress here which is good. In the world of tuning cars they are still a fairley young comany but I honestley don't believe they would rig a video. The only TC I know of making huge power is owned by Rice toyota the guy who owns it sits on toyotas board of directors. The car is on regular display at the dealership when they run promotions and it has a Motec sytem in it which to me is outrageousley expensive but he wanted to hit the 400whp mark with the TC. I will get you guys some pics sometime as I am not a huge TC fan owning an XA. I really haven't paid that much attention to it. To me for the money he has in the car and tuning he could have gotten something better but he wanted to prove a point I guess. So congrats and I encourage you guys to keep at it until it's perfect and taken as far as you can go with emanage. TC+motec=turbo kit and other patrts=R32 skyline at 632whp so to me what he did didn't make sense. I however hope they release the scion fuse turbo and i will buy one of them in a heartbeat I like the look alot better.

Actually we have a project going right now with ZPI that will have a tC pushing close to 600hp...and it just happens to be my car!!


http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g...s/bsowders.wmv

[rhythmnsmoke]

Actually we have a project going right now with ZPI that will have a tC pushing close to 600hp...and it just happens to be my car!!


http://www.zeropointindustries.net/g...s/bsowders.wmv



Yep, and will be ready to cause death and destruction to all contenders when it's done.

[slimsdizz]

good luck with your project I was just trying to say I like standlaones and I would like to see some track videos from you guys at some point if you get the chance.

[rhythmnsmoke]

good luck with your project I was just trying to say I like standlaones and I would like to see some track videos from you guys at some point if you get the chance.



Standalones are awesome, no one is doubting that, but to say that is all anyone should use....I kinda have to disagree. Doesn't seem logical to spend $1k+ dollars on management for a car that only makes 230whp.


And if weather permits, we are looking to hit the track this weekend.:mrv:

[slimsdizz]

I would have to disagree for an XA or XB to make between 200-230whp a thousand dollars for a standalone seems more than justified. and thats on stock internals of course you can go further if you go into the motor. just my opinion. but I look forward to your vids. I am very anxious to see this 600 whp TC that much power in that car good luck keeping it hooked up. I know we recentley did a civic SI with a vortech dyno'ed out at 423 on stock internalls and he smoked the tires 3/4 of the way down the quarter so we had to tone it down fo rhim so he could hook up. but I am anxious to see the build interesting stuff going on here.

[rhythmnsmoke]

I would have to disagree for an XA or XB to make between 200-230whp a thousand dollars for a standalone seems more than justified. and thats on stock internals of course you can go further if you go into the motor. just my opinion. but I look forward to your vids. I am very anxious to see this 600 whp TC that much power in that car good luck keeping it hooked up. I know we recentley did a civic SI with a vortech dyno'ed out at 423 on stock internalls and he smoked the tires 3/4 of the way down the quarter so we had to tone it down fo rhim so he could hook up. but I am anxious to see the build interesting stuff going on here.


That's why I'm interested in finding a boost controller with launch control capabilites. Some you can set the PSI level based on gear.

[Krdshrk]

You'll have to spend money on a Apexi AVC-R then... Big bux.

[J3ST3R]

You'll have to spend money on a Apexi AVC-R then... Big bux.

NO KIDDING....man they dont give those things away....cant believe how much those run.....

[Souljah]

That's why I'm interested in finding a boost controller with launch control capabilites. Some you can set the PSI level based on gear.


(warning: random post)

i'm most likely going to be trading my tc in for a subby with in the next 6 months or so. but depending on the financial situation, i may keep the tc, and convert it to AWD. it's going to be a huge project and cost a ton of money. but if everything works out, i may just happen to come upon that kind of disposeable income. and i'd love to have the worlds first awd tc, boosted of course. i'd like to see how an awd tc hooks up. cause as a one legged dog it doesn't hook up for shit.

[J3ST3R]

(warning: random post)

i'm most likely going to be trading my tc in for a subby with in the next 6 months or so. but depending on the financial situation, i may keep the tc, and convert it to AWD. it's going to be a huge project and cost a ton of money. but if everything works out, i may just happen to come upon that kind of disposeable income. and i'd love to have the worlds first awd tc, boosted of course. i'd like to see how an awd tc hooks up. cause as a one legged dog it doesn't hook up for shit.

....we are looking at AWD tC as a project with ZPI too!

[slimsdizz]

you know I got a friend over at apexi well kinda it's my main sponsors friend can't make any promises but I will look into that part for you if you would like for me too. Heck it's worth a phone call. i also got kinda confused I thought ya'll were talking about the XB and XA then I realized you were talking about the tC's pain medicine moments gotta hate them i equate them to senior moments sometimes. Anyway if you will pm me a part number I can make a call to my sponsor and let him make a call to his friend maybe something will come of it maybe full sponsorship maybe just getting the part at manufacturing cost which shouldn't be much or maybe nothing happens but I have tried to help a few guys on here get parts I think a few suceeded. I'm just happy right now cause the motor is out of the car and torn down hopefulley it will be put back together by early next week and then as soon as i can get my boss to install the supercharger and dial it in the car should be off and running I have been getting rid of parts I no longer need to make the change example switching back to the stock airbox from an injen short ram. heatsoak would be horrible if I keep it on. and i am gonna sell my TRD header and get another one from japan and have it ceramic coated inside and out to reduce engine bay temps lots of changes going on with my XA just takeing some time.

[rhythmnsmoke]

(warning: random post)

i'm most likely going to be trading my tc in for a subby with in the next 6 months or so. but depending on the financial situation, i may keep the tc, and convert it to AWD. it's going to be a huge project and cost a ton of money. but if everything works out, i may just happen to come upon that kind of disposeable income. and i'd love to have the worlds first awd tc, boosted of course. i'd like to see how an awd tc hooks up. cause as a one legged dog it doesn't hook up for shit.


Subbie, cool.....I like those. Especially when I beat one from a Roll and a dig, on Stock scion tires...:-D

[J3ST3R]

you know I got a friend over at apexi well kinda it's my main sponsors friend can't make any promises but I will look into that part for you if you would like for me too. Heck it's worth a phone call. i also got kinda confused I thought ya'll were talking about the XB and XA then I realized you were talking about the tC's pain medicine moments gotta hate them i equate them to senior moments sometimes. Anyway if you will pm me a part number I can make a call to my sponsor and let him make a call to his friend maybe something will come of it maybe full sponsorship maybe just getting the part at manufacturing cost which shouldn't be much or maybe nothing happens but I have tried to help a few guys on here get parts I think a few suceeded. I'm just happy right now cause the motor is out of the car and torn down hopefulley it will be put back together by early next week and then as soon as i can get my boss to install the supercharger and dial it in the car should be off and running I have been getting rid of parts I no longer need to make the change example switching back to the stock airbox from an injen short ram. heatsoak would be horrible if I keep it on. and i am gonna sell my TRD header and get another one from japan and have it ceramic coated inside and out to reduce engine bay temps lots of changes going on with my XA just takeing some time.

If you are talking about sponsorships I would love to talk with someone about that.

[Krdshrk]

I'd love to get sponsored by Apexi - I'll take an AVC-R anyday :D

[rhythmnsmoke]

I'd love to get sponsored by Apexi - I'll take an AVC-R anyday :D


Amen Brother!

[Souljah]

Subbie, cool.....I like those. Especially when I beat one from a Roll and a dig, on Stock scion tires...:-D

you're not going to beat one from a digg or on a road that isn't straight, or with a cobb stage 2.5 :P but thats compairing apples and oranges now. oh and wrx's have the same shitty re92's we do :P

[Krdshrk]

Whatchu talkin 'bout? WRX (Non-STI) are 224 HP at the crank.... they lose a lot to the wheels due to the transmission. I can beat a stock WRX right now...

[rhythmnsmoke]

you're not going to beat one from a digg or on a road that isn't straight, or with a cobb stage 2.5 :P but thats compairing apples and oranges now. oh and wrx's have the same shitty re92's we do :P


Wow, must have been a figment of my imagination then when I raced that one guy with his Girlfriend in a WRX from a dig up to 100mph, and walked on him...DAMN there I go again...:wallb:

lol...in all seriousness, you should have added another parameter to that, such as..."you're not going to beat one from a digg up to 60 mph or on a road that isn't straight, or with a cobb stage 2.5.

Who races to 60...:rofl2::rofl2:It's 1/4 mile here son. To which I will walk all over a WRX, and even a slightly modded one. And I don't even want to mention what I do to them from a Roll......STI....WHAT STI? WHERE?....Oh about 5 cars back...THAT STI....:rofl:


Someone call for a dig race...
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/videos/tCvWRX

[J3ST3R]

Here ya go....TRD S/C vs ZPI stage 0 from last Sat. !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu2VGLUrkio

[rhythmnsmoke]

^^Nice B...

[rhythmnsmoke]

The editing is finally done, hope you guys enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbG5zl3l2ns

PS...if the link doesn't work, just give Youtube some time to finish processing it, and then try again.

[rhythmnsmoke]

Just got off the phone with Louis (Angel). And apparently, he takes after me in that he can't get away from racing.... :rofl: He just reported to me 3 recent highway victories, an S2k and two separate WRX's. Despite his reporting of clutch slippage the other day, the racing bug is in his veins and apparently spreading like a wild fire... :silly: No FMIC makes his car sleeperish! One of the WRX's that tried him, he said was DROP JAWED! Then Louis slowed down for him to catch up, and the dude didn't want anymore... :rofl:
We are going to hook-up later today to do a photo session with his car, so I will post up some pics so you can get a better look at what his Stage 0 looks like. It's pretty clean looking if I might say so myself... :P

[slimsdizz]

First I like the vids

Second: I am impressed with the craftmanship and attention to detail I can see on some of these cars

Third: If you want me to try to get you that part pm me with the exact part number and where it should be drop shipped too if i can get it and decide amongst yourselves who wants it if I can get it because I am only gonna be able to get one.

4th: definentley like the vids like I said I just want to see when Zpi does dyno vids that they do accurate shots of under the hood and even under the car, seats,trunk area and everywhere just to make sure no body is spraying I think that has been the biggest shadow of doubt and I would love to see that get cleared up.

5th I have to give it to ZPI they have come along way in a short amount of time that they have been in buisness.

6Th The only negative thing I saw or can say is nology wires are just for show I wish somone would make that clear to the community they look great for show no doubt about it I just wish a company would advertise them that way thats the only thing I wish would happen.

7th I browsed ZPI website briefley and it has to eveolved I like that they are now adding standalones into the mix as an option I do however wish they would make the site a little bit easier to navigate. Constructive example XB click on it shows lots of parts I wish they would show the whole kit and offer diffrent stage packages and make them clearley defined it would be alot easier for people to navigate same with the XA and the tC I think people would like to see more whole kits and easy upgrade options kinda like cobb does on their subaru site.

finally other than that I think ZPI is making leaps and bounds in my opinion and a few more vids and I think alot of skepticks will turn around and it would be good for the company. They are on the east coast so of course we support east coast companies because we are few and far between. we aren't competitors our market is focused on other cars mainley talk to the guys at ZPI see if they would be willing for us to bring out the TRD supercharged XA when it's done. It would be a good opportunity to meet and if your in NC sometime your welcome to come by our facility. We are working on a really neat car for next years SEMA show which we have to keep under wraps for nissan but other than that you guys are welcome to come by sometime if your in the area. We have a nice circle track here that we often run our skylines and wrx's on it might be a good spot to do some vids and have fun with some of the big play toys.

[rhythmnsmoke]

4th: definentley like the vids like I said I just want to see when Zpi does dyno vids that they do accurate shots of under the hood and even under the car, seats,trunk area and everywhere just to make sure no body is spraying I think that has been the biggest shadow of doubt and I would love to see that get cleared up.


I am confused by this statement.... Are you implying they fake dynos? If you are, thats rather obsurd. They have ran 12.1 in the 1/4 mile, and have trapped 120 mph as well, I assure you their integrity is far greater than waisting time trying to fake dynos.

finally other than that I think ZPI is making leaps and bounds in my opinion and a few more vids and I think alot of skepticks will turn around and it would be good for the company.


I have like 15 some odd videos on Youtube, how many more do you need...:?


PS....glad you enjoyed the vid as well.

[Krdshrk]

No FMIC makes his car sleeperish! One of the WRX's that tried him, he said was DROP JAWED! Then Louis slowed down for him to catch up, and the dude didn't want anymore... :rofl:

Using Thermal Dispersion Paint and painting the FMIC black works too... You can't see mine at all :D

[slimsdizz]

no I was not implying they fake dyno runs but that has been the biggest rumor I have heard in one of the vids I saw an XB with a few nitrious bottles in it I think it has fueled the fire I have already stated I don't think they would fake a video but I think there are alot of people who just need more proof they have nothing to hide so it shouldn't be an issue putting alot of the skepticks out there to rest should it. personally it doesn't bother me a bit because if a company fakes dyo runs then it eventually comes out when people install kits and they don't put down the same numbers as advertised but I think alot of people would like to see more vids.

[rhythmnsmoke]

no I was not implying they fake dyno runs but that has been the biggest rumor I have heard in one of the vids I saw an XB with a few nitrious bottles in it I think it has fueled the fire I have already stated I don't think they would fake a video but I think there are alot of people who just need more proof they have nothing to hide so it shouldn't be an issue putting alot of the skepticks out there to rest should it. personally it doesn't bother me a bit because if a company fakes dyo runs then it eventually comes out when people install kits and they don't put down the same numbers as advertised but I think alot of people would like to see more vids.


Skeptics will be skeptics...no matter WHAT you do. And if you can point out this xB with N20 bottles in it, please point me in that direction, cause I have yet to see that one.

[rhythmnsmoke]

Talked to Louis today. Despite the weak clutch, he still took the car up to the 1/4 track for a few runs. This is his first time at a drag track, and first time with a turbo car. He was on stock Scion tires with some aftermarket 17inch rims. He recorded a time of 14.5 @ 97mph. He said there was an SRT-4 up there with Drag radials running a 14.3. I think with some more practice under his belt, we should see low instead of mid 14's with stock Scion tires. With Drag Radials, I'm sure after a few practice runs, he should be able to break a 13 off.

[J3ST3R]

Talked to Louis today. Despite the weak clutch, he still took the car up to the 1/4 track for a few runs. This is his first time at a drag track, and first time with a turbo car. He was on stock Scion tires with some aftermarket 17inch rims. He recorded a time of 14.5 @ 97mph. He said there was an SRT-4 up there with Drag radials running a 14.3. I think with some more practice under his belt, we should see low instead of mid 14's with stock Scion tires. With Drag Radials, I'm sure after a few practice runs, he should be able to break a 13 off.

Maybe a freaking time slip will be enough evidence for people....NICE JOB Luis!!!!

Tennessee Scikotics Putting it Down!!!!

[slimsdizz]

sorry no hard feelings rythmmoke gotta call you out you said point you in the direction of the nitrous because you have never seen it at ZPI so I got that clear point ZPI would never use nitrious in any car you never saw it thats what you said.

look at the scikotics cruz to zpi video again on utube I qoute from the words on the video didn't we see this in a magazine the car has a meguirs sticker on the window ring a bell then all of suden what do you see not one but two big fat no no huge Nitrious Express bottles. Oh but it doesn't stop there we go to another car a silver TC with nice roll bars but instead of the nitrious express bottles being in the trunk which the camera tryes to show you can make out the blur of them mounted in the back seat through the tint.

So have two confirmed cars with nitrious that don't exist see thats the problem I have with watching video's like the stage 0 vid you show under the hood of one car in detail but you keep the stage zero hidden now do you see why people doubt the zpi XB dyno video and stuff like that cause here i am aplauding ZPI for making some real steps and all this and i watch a video and I am seeing nitrous coming out of my eyeballs. In 35 years in buisness we have only used 24 bottles of nitrious and only one bottle went on a 4 banger the rest went on small and big block V-8 or hemi motors but you've never seen nitrous used by ZPI now there is nothing wrong with using NOS don't get me wrong but it's an awfully strong statement to say what you did and it's right in the video anybody can see it of course it can be edited oout real quick or redone and the bottles disapear but they are there and I cannot honestley say whther people are fakeing dyno runs or using large shots of NOS but what I can say is I am told it's not there it's not used and it's in plain site in my opinion the balls back in your court because I have seen hundreds of people specualte that on over three forums and until it's adressed honestley all the video's in the world aren't gonna bring that credibility back all the claims have to be dismissed until everycar that is dyno'ed and advertised as a straight turbo car with kits for sale has to be proven it's a straight turbo car with no NOS being blown in and believe me I have seen bottles hiddn everywhere gloveboxes under seats. I even saw one guy at a track get busted with a bottle hidden behind the dash heck it was only enough for one twenty shot but he got caught cheating. All I can say is I am dissapointed. I see alot of quality work in the vids but that doesn't get anybody any credibility when they say there is no NOS and there is tons of it and if I really wanted to dig into it I could find out how many bottles exactley have gone to any shop but I see no need to go there because the proof is in the video or the pudding as we call it in NC. I'm off the thread good luck with your projects guys I am just very dissapointed.

[J3ST3R]

sorry no hard feelings rythmmoke gotta call you out you said point you in the direction of the nitrous because you have never seen it at ZPI so I got that clear point ZPI would never use nitrious in any car you never saw it thats what you said.

look at the scikotics cruz to zpi video again on utube I qoute from the words on the video didn't we see this in a magazine the car has a meguirs sticker on the window ring a bell then all of suden what do you see not one but two big fat no no huge Nitrious Express bottles. Oh but it doesn't stop there we go to another car a silver TC with nice roll bars but instead of the nitrious express bottles being in the trunk which the camera tryes to show you can make out the blur of them mounted in the back seat through the tint.

So have two confirmed cars with nitrious that don't exist see thats the problem I have with watching video's like the stage 0 vid you show under the hood of one car in detail but you keep the stage zero hidden now do you see why people doubt the zpi XB dyno video and stuff like that cause here i am aplauding ZPI for making some real steps and all this and i watch a video and I am seeing nitrous coming out of my eyeballs. In 35 years in buisness we have only used 24 bottles of nitrious and only one bottle went on a 4 banger the rest went on small and big block V-8 or hemi motors but you've never seen nitrous used by ZPI now there is nothing wrong with using NOS don't get me wrong but it's an awfully strong statement to say what you did and it's right in the video anybody can see it of course it can be edited oout real quick or redone and the bottles disapear but they are there and I cannot honestley say whther people are fakeing dyno runs or using large shots of NOS but what I can say is I am told it's not there it's not used and it's in plain site in my opinion the balls back in your court because I have seen hundreds of people specualte that on over three forums and until it's adressed honestley all the video's in the world aren't gonna bring that credibility back all the claims have to be dismissed until everycar that is dyno'ed and advertised as a straight turbo car with kits for sale has to be proven it's a straight turbo car with no NOS being blown in and believe me I have seen bottles hiddn everywhere gloveboxes under seats. I even saw one guy at a track get busted with a bottle hidden behind the dash heck it was only enough for one twenty shot but he got caught cheating. All I can say is I am dissapointed. I see alot of quality work in the vids but that doesn't get anybody any credibility when they say there is no NOS and there is tons of it and if I really wanted to dig into it I could find out how many bottles exactley have gone to any shop but I see no need to go there because the proof is in the video or the pudding as we call it in NC. I'm off the thread good luck with your projects guys I am just very dissapointed.

What exactly are you trying to do here? The reason the videos don't show any views of the stage 0 with the hood up is because we don't have any pictures of it in hindsight it would have been good to get some...but we didnt....we have plenty of Rich's car...the TRD....but Luis is new to the club and the picture I used for my video was taken off a screen shot from the video. The goal was to get the video out so everyone could see....I am not a spokesman for ZPI.....nor do I sell there products.....I personally was curious how the Stage 0 would stack up against the TRD S/C so that is what we did.....sounds to me like you are reaching for something that is not there. It sounds to me like you wont believe anything unless you are there....if that is the case why bother even commenting on these threads? I cant comment at all about the other videos that ZPI has put out...I have no idea which ones you are even referring too.....but I have been with Travis several times when he has raced....and I was there when the stage 0 raced...and I am not about to let someone question the integrity of my work, or what I witnessed, so I tell you what we would be happy to make a trek to your neck of the woods and show you EXACTLY what the cars have and how they run.....hows that for proof in the pudding?

[rhythmnsmoke]

sorry no hard feelings rythmmoke gotta call you out you said point you in the direction of the nitrous because you have never seen it at ZPI so I got that clear point ZPI would never use nitrious in any car you never saw it thats what you said.

look at the scikotics cruz to zpi video again on utube I qoute from the words on the video didn't we see this in a magazine the car has a meguirs sticker on the window ring a bell then all of suden what do you see not one but two big fat no no huge Nitrious Express bottles. Oh but it doesn't stop there we go to another car a silver TC with nice roll bars but instead of the nitrious express bottles being in the trunk which the camera tryes to show you can make out the blur of them mounted in the back seat through the tint.


Dude....OMG! HAHAHAA! That was a Subaru STI, not even a Scion. And have you SEEN any dyno videos of anything BUT Scions on ZPI's website....umm...no. That Subie had Nitro bottles in it BEFORE it was even THOUGHT of to be brought to ZPI. ZPI didn't build that car bro, they are re-doing it for the guy though. Secondly, we are speaking on FAKING Dyno's. You implied that they would HIDE a nitrous bottle just to make people believe they are putting out higher than supposed #'s. That Subie is NOT a ZPI car. It's a fully Sponsored car, that has been brought to ZPI for additional work. Man, you should be careful on what you assume bro. Third, there are no Nitrous bottles in the freakin silver car....LOL, now your implying that my videoing is fake, or that I was trying to avoid showing that there was a nitrous bottle in the back seat of the Silver tC....You REALLY reaching aren't you...lol Here is food for thought, there has NEVER been a ZPI built car on the dyno EVER that was running Nitrous. They have had Methanol injection before. Infact, I have NEVER seen a single Nitrous bottle in the shop, nor a Nitrous Kit anywhere in the shop. That Subie doesn't even count bro, it's not a ZPI car.



So have two confirmed cars with nitrious that don't exist see thats the problem I have with watching video's like the stage 0 vid you show under the hood of one car in detail but you keep the stage zero hidden now do you see why people doubt the zpi XB dyno video and stuff like that cause here i am aplauding ZPI for making some real steps and all this and i watch a video and I am seeing nitrous coming out of my eyeballs. In 35 years in buisness we have only used 24 bottles of nitrious and only one bottle went on a 4 banger the rest went on small and big block V-8 or hemi motors but you've never seen nitrous used by ZPI now there is nothing wrong with using NOS don't get me wrong but it's an awfully strong statement to say what you did and it's right in the video anybody can see it of course it can be edited oout real quick or redone and the bottles disapear but they are there and I cannot honestley say whther people are fakeing dyno runs or using large shots of NOS but what I can say is I am told it's not there it's not used and it's in plain site in my opinion the balls back in your court because I have seen hundreds of people specualte that on over three forums and until it's adressed honestley all the video's in the world aren't gonna bring that credibility back all the claims have to be dismissed until everycar that is dyno'ed and advertised as a straight turbo car with kits for sale has to be proven it's a straight turbo car with no NOS being blown in and believe me I have seen bottles hiddn everywhere gloveboxes under seats. I even saw one guy at a track get busted with a bottle hidden behind the dash heck it was only enough for one twenty shot but he got caught cheating. All I can say is I am dissapointed. I see alot of quality work in the vids but that doesn't get anybody any credibility when they say there is no NOS and there is tons of it and if I really wanted to dig into it I could find out how many bottles exactley have gone to any shop but I see no need to go there because the proof is in the video or the pudding as we call it in NC. I'm off the thread good luck with your projects guys I am just very dissapointed.


Man, do you always assume first and ask questions later? No offense and don't take this the wrong way, but do you realize that it possibly makes you look stupid when you make up all these theories? ZPI does NOT/Have NOT/And Probably will NEVER Use a nitrous setup to make power. ALL of their SCIONS....I REPEAT pay close attention now....S.C.I.O.N.S in their dyno videos do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT have nitrous, never bleed Nitrous, or ever smoked/puffed/inhaled an N20 bottle. I don't care how well you hide an N20 bottle, you still have to run the lines into the car, and those can easily be seen. On another note, What Purpose seriously would it serve to Fake dyno #'s. If you built a business around fake Dyno #'s and sold kits, your customers would put you out of buisness with their reported dyno #'s. ZPI was the first to make a turbo kit for the tC, and they are still in buisness despite the haters. Seriously, come on bro...let's use just a LITTLE common sense here ok.

If you felt like I have insulted you, I apologize. I'm just pretty passionate about certain things, and My Integrity is one of them. I don't lie, and I'm not a liar (infact I HATE LIARS), so trust me, It's ALL BOOST BABY!

[slimsdizz]

I understand you don't work for ZPI and it's cool and all but you linked the video on the thread then you tell me point out the nitrious so I pointed it out you said bring it to your attention because you haven't seen it I'm asssumind since you said I'm done editing the video that you shot the vid i just don't see how anyone could miss the nitrous bottles there is nothing to grasp at I was basicaly called out so I just pointed out hey I see nitrous in ZPI cars in their shop thats all. I'm not bashing anyone thats really not my style but I have been ripped up in the past for stateing the truth and I'm just pointing out there is NOS and if there is NOS which I obviousley took notice of then I can't slam the skepticks and jump on the ZPI bandwagon. Lets face it there are alot of shops that use NOS these days there are alot of shops that boost sales in this manner so I see the skepticks side. now I try to remain neutral on things I just think it comes down to better vids coming out I don't care if somone uses NOS i can't say it's the best thing in the world to do to a motor and it is more risky then high boost levels but so is poor tuneing. you could take two exact same cars with the exact same parts and take two diffrent tuners and your gonna see huge diffrences in final results. I was just defending myself in pointng out there was nitrious bottles thats all if you win by an inch or a mile its winning as the movie said and people are right skepticks will be skepticks but there is always a way to shut up skepticks and thats all I have tried to say is this is how you guys shut up all th skepticks.ZPI is in the limelight they are an east coast company competing aganst alot of west coast companies and yeah they sell some west coast and japanese made parts but who doesn't. You guys think I am atacking your thread or atacking ZPI I'm not and I cannot honestley say that I have not been atacked by ZPI before because i have. I am just trying to say hey here is how to shut the critics up permanentley ya'll guys are close we are all one community ZPi is an east coast company and I actually want to see them evolve and stay around for along time so I was not knocking anybody there is NOS ok well NOS is what everyone talks about ya'll guys got the kits the cars the time the cameras and the utube I want ya'll guys to shut those people up permanentley and set the standard on the east coast and set a mark for all other scion owners and say hey this is how we do it and this is how it should be done it's good for the east coast it's good for your group it's good for this forum and ultimetley it's good for ZPI bigtime i know I come across harsh a tad I'd just like to see a great group of guys from this car club set the standard for the scion community.Regardless as soon as my XA is finished I have no problem putting the ghost rider on the road with you guys I'm gearing up for NOPI I definentley think I got something good going with my two 15's for DB drag and lets just set a mark on the east coast. This is a bit off topic and I apologize but personally I am tired of being sponsered primarily by west coast last week I started working with dominic over at lanzar audio to start stepping up their XB I'd just like to see us east coast guys set the standard heck we put our heads together we got sponsors out the yang I'm sitting on enough audio here to do four XB's and enough suspension and intakes to do three lets just kick it up to the next level. I will be traveling all spring and summer representing the east coast and I hope to run into some of you guys along the way because we got the sponsors we got the magazines waighting for cars to be complete and you guys in kentucky can really set the stage for the whole turbo community lets face it The zpi turbo kit is the most advanced to date I'm going totally JDM with my XA we got some serious cars to do some serious damage representing the east coast you got ZPI in KY The shop I work for in NC heck we got tons of dyno room and time I'm slowley getting people in this area organized through myspace and hopefulley soon we will have an NC chapter here on the forums. We could all roll down to NOPI 100 cars strong or hot import nights in New Jersey heck I even know of huge shows down towards south beach and I own a huge house out at key largo on the way to key west realitive died long story but heck lanzar cerwin vage all those guys will back us up no problem I got the tint and securtiy film covered with llumar and I got injen covered for sure we could do some damage lets take it up a notch raise the bar with the vids with the kits with everything organize we could really get something major going so anything I ever say to anyone is not meant to be mean never take it that way it's always about raising the bar thats how it's meant to come across. so I am sorry if I came across the wrong way I just wanna see that top notch bar and that level set thats all enough said because I think you guys are capable of doing that just remember you got friends two states over our four wheel inground dyno is open to you anytime as well as motorcyle and jetski dyno if you guys have other toys you need to dial in thats the warmest invation I can send.

[rhythmnsmoke]

because we don't have any pictures of it in hindsight it would have been good to get some...but we didnt....we have plenty of Rich's car...the TRD....but Luis is new to the club and the picture I used for my video was taken off a screen shot from the video. The goal was to get the video out so everyone could see....I am not a spokesman for ZPI.....nor do I sell there products.....I personally was curious how the Stage 0 would stack up against the TRD S/C so that is what we did.....


To make it worst, we actually DO have pics, just not uploaded yet. But Spare not a single moment.....PICS.

Wanna play "Find the Nitrous Lines"...:rofl2: :rofl2:

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[rhythmnsmoke]

I understand you don't work for ZPI and it's cool and all but you linked the video on the thread then you tell me point out the nitrious so I pointed it out you said bring it to your attention because you haven't seen it I'm asssumind since you said I'm done editing the video that you shot the vid i just don't see how anyone could miss the nitrous bottles there is nothing to grasp at I was basicaly called out so I just pointed out hey I see nitrous in ZPI cars in their shop thats all.

Dude...This is what you said no I was not implying they fake dyno runs but that has been the biggest rumor I have heard in one of the vids I saw an XB with a few nitrious bottles in it

I said to point out the xB with the nitrous bottles in it, not point out a car with nitrous bottles in it....That's not even a Scion. ZPI doesn't even sell a Subaru kit. The Subie is unrelated to the topic you are talking about. And what you are talking about, or SUPPOSE to be talking about is faking an xB dyno. You implied their xB had nitrous on it, I said point THAT out. Not point to an entirely different car all together. Can you please stay with the subject matter.



I'm not bashing anyone thats really not my style but I have been ripped up in the past for stateing the truth and I'm just pointing out there is NOS and if there is NOS which I obviousley took notice of then I can't slam the skepticks and jump on the ZPI bandwagon. Lets face it there are alot of shops that use NOS these days there are alot of shops that boost sales in this manner so I see the skepticks side. now I try to remain neutral on things I just think it comes down to better vids coming out I don't care if somone uses NOS i can't say it's the best thing in the world to do to a motor and it is more risky then high boost levels but so is poor tuneing. you could take two exact same cars with the exact same parts and take two diffrent tuners and your gonna see huge diffrences in final results. I was just defending myself in pointng out there was nitrious bottles thats all if you win by an inch or a mile its winning as the movie said and people are right skepticks will be skepticks but there is always a way to shut up skepticks and thats all I have tried to say is this is how you guys shut up all th skepticks.


OMG! I give up! You want proof, go to the shop yourself, because at this point I am...:wallb: :wallb: I'm only going to say this ONE more time....ZPI does NOT use Nitrous in THEIR cars! The Subie is NOT their car, it's just there for work. Some people are so....Oh I don't even know the word for this...but it's the equivalent to...:deadhorse:

[slimsdizz]

I didn't say I had skeptasism about the XB I said people lots of people. that first secondley there was nos also in that silver TC with the red roll cage the bottles were in the back seat if you pause the movie at just the right point you can see them pretty well. Anyway it doesn't matter you didn't seem to get the point I was trying to get across and it is frustrating you so I don't know how to better communicate it and we have already been planning to run by ZPI facilities at some point. I dunno how to get across what I am saying because your not getting it it's just not clicking or registering or something.your banging your head against a wall and that can't be healthy i think most people who read the post I wrote will understand.

[Krdshrk]

Talked to Louis today. Despite the weak clutch, he still took the car up to the 1/4 track for a few runs. This is his first time at a drag track, and first time with a turbo car. He was on stock Scion tires with some aftermarket 17inch rims. He recorded a time of 14.5 @ 97mph. He said there was an SRT-4 up there with Drag radials running a 14.3. I think with some more practice under his belt, we should see low instead of mid 14's with stock Scion tires. With Drag Radials, I'm sure after a few practice runs, he should be able to break a 13 off.

He's getting to about what I'm at. How was the track? Warm and grippy or cold and slippery? Cold and slippery got me 14.3-14.5's w/ Drag Radials.

[Souljah]

Wow, must have been a figment of my imagination then when I raced that one guy with his Girlfriend in a WRX from a dig up to 100mph, and walked on him...DAMN there I go again...:wallb:

lol...in all seriousness, you should have added another parameter to that, such as..."you're not going to beat one from a digg up to 60 mph or on a road that isn't straight, or with a cobb stage 2.5.

Who races to 60...:rofl2::rofl2:It's 1/4 mile here son. To which I will walk all over a WRX, and even a slightly modded one. And I don't even want to mention what I do to them from a Roll......STI....WHAT STI? WHERE?....Oh about 5 cars back...THAT STI....:rofl:


Someone call for a dig race...
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/gallery/videos/tCvWRX

congratz on the kill but it looks like the wrx driver couldn't drive. bad launch, and it looked like he was shifting early. but either way congratz. if you're ever in NJ i know some sti/evo/wrx guys you can race. i would like to see a race where i know the other person can drive.

on a second note, there isn't a track within a hour and a half from my house, so most of the racing is from light to light which is about to 60 - 70

[Krdshrk]

You need to come out to Raceway Park one of these days, Matt...

[rhythmnsmoke]

congratz on the kill but it looks like the wrx driver couldn't drive. bad launch, and it looked like he was shifting early. but either way congratz. if you're ever in NJ i know some sti/evo/wrx guys you can race. i would like to see a race where i know the other person can drive.

on a second note, there isn't a track within a hour and a half from my house, so most of the racing is from light to light which is about to 60 - 70



Isn't that alwasy the excuse when someone's perfered car gets beaten? By the way, that's not me. I beat another WRX from a dig the other day. Guess all WRX owners can't drive then huh...:dots:

[rhythmnsmoke]

I didn't say I had skeptasism about the XB I said people lots of people. that first secondley there was nos also in that silver TC with the red roll cage the bottles were in the back seat if you pause the movie at just the right point you can see them pretty well. Anyway it doesn't matter you didn't seem to get the point I was trying to get across and it is frustrating you so I don't know how to better communicate it and we have already been planning to run by ZPI facilities at some point. I dunno how to get across what I am saying because your not getting it it's just not clicking or registering or something.your banging your head against a wall and that can't be healthy i think most people who read the post I wrote will understand.


No, what they will understand is that I am Telling you ZPI does not use N20 in their cars, and you keep coming back talking about how "If you pause the video at such and such time, you can see a shimmer of a bottle sitting in the back seat".....OMG! Are you serious....lol. You live in NC, Never been to ZPI's shop, Never seen a vid of the Silver tC spraying anything, Never Rode in the Silver tC.....And you are calling me A Liar when I've been to the shop over 50 times, been in the Silver tC from day one, talk to Kenny on a regular basis (who I'm friends with), practically know EVERYTHING that's going on with their cars, and I told you once there is no nitrous bottle in there. It's not ME that's not comprehending, clicking, or regestering in my brain, it's you bro. You don't listen and you don't pay attention.

I mean, seriously bro, stop calling me a liar....

[Krdshrk]

Honestly, a lot of 'em can't...

[rhythmnsmoke]

Honestly, a lot of 'em can't...


It's sad.:oops: Especially when someone is telling you the Dot is RED, and you swear up and down that it's BLUE even though you never seen it....:?

[Souljah]

You need to come out to Raceway Park one of these days, Matt...

yeah, i'm working a normal hours these days and a normal job where i can take days off :) i'm looking foward to coming out to the tracks and shows this summer.

[Souljah]

Isn't that alwasy the excuse when someone's perfered car gets beaten? By the way, that's not me. I beat another WRX from a dig the other day. Guess all WRX owners can't drive then huh...:dots:
can you honestly tell me that it looked like that driver had any idea how to drive that car? i'll be the first to admit the wrx isn't the end all be all of cars. it's just easy to mod, and the motor is capable of tons of power. i don't have anything against the tc. but it's a 2azfe (fe=fuel econamy) the engine was disigned for fuel econamy, and low emissions. it's a great motor, but it has it's limitations. it's a one legged dog, so it's a bitch to hook up. it doesn't corner as nice. but it's also 6 grand less, it's a great car for the money.

[rhythmnsmoke]

can you honestly tell me that it looked like that driver had any idea how to drive that car? i'll be the first to admit the wrx isn't the end all be all of cars. it's just easy to mod, and the motor is capable of tons of power. i don't have anything against the tc. but it's a 2azfe (fe=fuel econamy) the engine was disigned for fuel econamy, and low emissions. it's a great motor, but it has it's limitations. it's a one legged dog, so it's a bitch to hook up. it doesn't corner as nice. but it's also 6 grand less, it's a great car for the money.


And on Boost 300whp 300ftlb of tQ to go along with all those great features you just listed...:rofl:

It doesn't matter if you have AWD/RWD, if you are out powered, you will get maybe a car or two off the line. But the race doesn't end at the Off-Line punch. You still got a 1/4 mile of a race left which = "you loose". Driving or no driving, you still got to have the power. Which is exactly what happened when I raced that WRX last week, from a dig on the street. Stock Scion tires, he got out 2 cars from the launch, but rounding out 3rd and 4th, I''m pulling past him. Races don't end at the launch.

[J3ST3R]

You would think being on a Scion forum ppl would be happy about our cars running good.......guess not...

[Souljah]

And on Boost 300whp 300ftlb of tQ to go along with all those great features you just listed...:rofl:

It doesn't matter if you have AWD/RWD, if you are out powered, you will get maybe a car or two off the line. But the race doesn't end at the Off-Line punch. You still got a 1/4 mile of a race left which = "you loose". Driving or no driving, you still got to have the power. Which is exactly what happened when I raced that WRX last week, from a dig on the street. Stock Scion tires, he got out 2 cars from the launch, but rounding out 3rd and 4th, I''m pulling past him. Races don't end at the launch.

but how long are they going to last on boost. whats the most people have now 20k on a boosted motor? i'm glad they are making 300hp and 300ftlb of tq. i'm just concerned about for how long. i'v toyed with the idea of not getting the subbie, and boosting my tc, which i may still do. i'm just worried about how the motor takes it. wrx's were designed with boost in mind, lower compression, stronger internals. do we know what are stock motors are capable of handling reliably?

[Krdshrk]

Dezod's been boosted for a long time... Well over 20K miles IIRC. I've got about 5k miles under my belt. I know a bunch of people who are turboed as their Daily Drivers with no problem.

[J3ST3R]

but how long are they going to last on boost. whats the most people have now 20k on a boosted motor? i'm glad they are making 300hp and 300ftlb of tq. i'm just concerned about for how long. i'v toyed with the idea of not getting the subbie, and boosting my tc, which i may still do. i'm just worried about how the motor takes it. wrx's were designed with boost in mind, lower compression, stronger internals. do we know what are stock motors are capable of handling reliably?

So the motor was not designed for boost....yet they sell a supercharger kit for them from Scion/TRD???

[Souljah]

Dezod's been boosted for a long time... Well over 20K miles IIRC. I've got about 5k miles under my belt. I know a bunch of people who are turboed as their Daily Drivers with no problem.

5k miles already? damn you drive alot. i thought i had alot with my 31k and i'v had my car since dec of 04

[Krdshrk]

Yeah - I'm at 30k almost.

[rhythmnsmoke]

but how long are they going to last on boost. whats the most people have now 20k on a boosted motor? i'm glad they are making 300hp and 300ftlb of tq. i'm just concerned about for how long. i'v toyed with the idea of not getting the subbie, and boosting my tc, which i may still do. i'm just worried about how the motor takes it. wrx's were designed with boost in mind, lower compression, stronger internals. do we know what are stock motors are capable of handling reliably?


I'm over a year on Boost. Raced every weekend practically and daily driven. It serves me well I would say. Especially when I've never had a motor problem. Evo's were designed with boost in mind too, but that doesn't stop the rumor that they have a lot of mechanical problems.

[slimsdizz]

evo's do have problems it's a mitsu what do people expect it's not like they have a great history with reliabilty. There is no disputing that WRX hold their value money wise better than most any car in their class. just go try to buy a used one as far as the new wrx's the new motors have issues as well some of the older scubies were definentley better built that being said regardless of the year you build a wrx right and dump the money into it it will kill alot of cars but subaru performance parts are notoriousley expensive performance and suspension everything is through the roof with the WRX so it's no suprise that a TC is killing a WRX most people who own WRX's spend so much on the car and have such a high car payment they have little left over to dump into large performance modifications. so dollar for dollar your gonna come out cheaper in the wallet with the TC as far as final potential if money was no object the TC would be no match at all. The parts are not out to take it anywhere close to what the WRX is capable of. The real question is who can afford to take their subaru to that level not alot of people we have one in our area who dyno'd at 732.6 whp on the all wheel drive dyno which as far as I know we are one of two places on the east coast that has an all wheel drive inground dyno. the guy has 70k in the car in performance parts and handling parts alone. it runs off pumpgas and no NOS and it is one impressive car but who really has that kinda money to take the wrx to it's full potential. My first straight drag car and I still own it is a two door 91 mazda mx-6 GT turbo black 2.4 liter turbo I bought it for 4 grand immediatley contacted HKS bought one of the last kits they had sitting on the shelf for ages dropped in the standalone boost controller front mount and bigger turbo then lightened the flywheel and put in a better clutch and bigger injectors and a rising rate fuel pressure regulator and at 18 pounds of boost the car puts down 247.3whp and it weighs a little bit more than a crx. I later put coilovers on it since it has pushbutton rideheight suspension and 4 wheel steer. i have 7 grand tied up into a car that has killed a viper in the quarter. So I say go with the TC over the scubie unless your rich but a scubie done right will kill a TC it's all about bang for your buck and the TC is a descent bang for your buck. I can think of better bangs for the buck but this is a scion community so I say TC over scubie now if your looking for resale value alone scoobie.

[Souljah]

So the motor was not designed for boost....yet they sell a supercharger kit for them from Scion/TRD???

and look how well it's doing. 5lbs of boost and people are blowing motors with no mods other then the supercharger.

[rhythmnsmoke]

and look how well it's doing. 5lbs of boost and people are blowing motors with no mods other then the supercharger.



That's not due to the motor though. Ever seen a blown 2az on 5 lbs with a turbo.....not to my knowledge.

[Souljah]

evo's do have problems it's a mitsu what do people expect it's not like they have a great history with reliabilty. There is no disputing that WRX hold their value money wise better than most any car in their class. just go try to buy a used one as far as the new wrx's the new motors have issues as well some of the older scubies were definentley better built that being said regardless of the year you build a wrx right and dump the money into it it will kill alot of cars but subaru performance parts are notoriousley expensive performance and suspension everything is through the roof with the WRX so it's no suprise that a TC is killing a WRX most people who own WRX's spend so much on the car and have such a high car payment they have little left over to dump into large performance modifications. so dollar for dollar your gonna come out cheaper in the wallet with the TC as far as final potential if money was no object the TC would be no match at all. The parts are not out to take it anywhere close to what the WRX is capable of. The real question is who can afford to take their subaru to that level not alot of people we have one in our area who dyno'd at 732.6 whp on the all wheel drive dyno which as far as I know we are one of two places on the east coast that has an all wheel drive inground dyno. the guy has 70k in the car in performance parts and handling parts alone. it runs off pumpgas and no NOS and it is one impressive car but who really has that kinda money to take the wrx to it's full potential. My first straight drag car and I still own it is a two door 91 mazda mx-6 GT turbo black 2.4 liter turbo I bought it for 4 grand immediatley contacted HKS bought one of the last kits they had sitting on the shelf for ages dropped in the standalone boost controller front mount and bigger turbo then lightened the flywheel and put in a better clutch and bigger injectors and a rising rate fuel pressure regulator and at 18 pounds of boost the car puts down 247.3whp and it weighs a little bit more than a crx. I later put coilovers on it since it has pushbutton rideheight suspension and 4 wheel steer. i have 7 grand tied up into a car that has killed a viper in the quarter. So I say go with the TC over the scubie unless your rich but a scubie done right will kill a TC it's all about bang for your buck and the TC is a descent bang for your buck. I can think of better bangs for the buck but this is a scion community so I say TC over scubie now if your looking for resale value alone scoobie.

there are 2 really good subie shops here in NJ Turbotrix, and Precision Tuning. Turbotrix has a 9second evo. they also have a twin turbo viper, and a 700something hp STI. they have also built my friends evo9 who was making 498whp. they just put on a bigger turbo and retuned, so i'm not sure what he's making now. they also built a friends 568whp STI. they are really good. i wouldn't go that crazy, i'd want to be around 350whp.

[J3ST3R]

and look how well it's doing. 5lbs of boost and people are blowing motors with no mods other then the supercharger.

I dont recall to many blowing motors....I know there have been a lot of the S/C's having problems, failing and stuff, but not blowing motors

[Souljah]

I dont recall to many blowing motors....I know there have been a lot of the S/C's having problems, failing and stuff, but not blowing motors

maybe thats what it was, i just recall seeing alot of SC blew my motor threads on SL.

[rhythmnsmoke]

^^Naw....it's more My S/C'er went bad AGAIN! Not I blew my motor.

[slimsdizz]

the problem with the TC TRD supercharger is the seals leak on alot of them either at first or over time scion is working to correct the problem and I would expect a limited recall. cool info on the other shops the point I was trying to get across is number one most subaru owners don't have the cash number two there are very few dyno's that can accomodate them to properley tune them so they are at an inherent disadvantage in alot of areas. scions should thrive well in Kentucky. We actually do mission trips to Kentucky every year it's one of the prettiest states in the country I would rank it fourth alaska hawaii colorado then kentucky then virgina parts of west virgina are georgeous like the new river gorge which I have parachuted off of in my younger years and the NC mountains. KY is also plauged by very high unemployment rates,methamphetamine use has skyrocketed and it still remains the poorest state in the country as well as having the lowest education rates in the country. Thats one reason I am proud ZPI is in Kentucky to me it means alot and I know churches and groups in our area do alot of outreach in KY and I would encourage others to join in. I think it's great ZPI is there it's creating jobs bringing in revenue giving the youth something to do. Next time I am in the state I will stop by the facilites on the way to western KY where we build churches do repairs to homes and things of that nature. I am limited to what I can do personally with my back disability but I find I am great at coordinating our churces efforts and maximizing time. So I say Go ZPI and sooner or later all the parts you need will be available to take these cars into the thousand horsepower range.All it takes is demand and hard work and trial and error.

[rhythmnsmoke]

^^That's all good to know. But TRD isn't going to recall anything, you can pretty much bet on that.

[slimsdizz]

there alot of things that go on behind the scenes that your not perticularley interested in there are a few recalls being considered right now and the supercharger seal issue si one of them as well as the performance of the XA headlight housing in fog because it throws blinding light straight up into the air the way it was desighned impairing the drivers vision. I wouldn't gurantee anything because it's not your decision and it's not in your control. I woud however say there would have to be a high frequency of complaints thats how automotive companies decide to do recalls in the first place. They keep having problems they will either stop selling them until they can correct the problem and offer a kit people can buy an have the dealer change the gaskets or they will issue a recall it just adds up to dollars and how large the problem becomes and the backlash from the public.

[rhythmnsmoke]

Like I said, don't bet on them recalling anything. Oh, and Souljah, thought you might enjoy this little vid that was uploaded not to long ago.

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to the Silver Subaru WRX when it gets to the line. What to know whats in the other lane.......A 10 Sec. Scion tC! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGMruzKS52E

[slimsdizz]

ok that just proves what I have said about wrx's previousley nothing new but I did do a little digging just for my own intrest and Nitrious express doesn't sell to ZPI however as quoted by modular depot in newport kentucky we only got set up with them a month ago and how many more bottles do you guys need filled again. my guy at nitrous express says they don't buy direct but they are getting lots of bottles through a local distributor and obviosley I found where they are getting refilled at and from the sound of it seemed to be alot of fillling going on. but don't worry my guy at nitrous express is digging into it and I would say within a few days we should have a year by year bottle count. Thats for calling me a liar about seeing nos in the videos it's kinda funny these silver TC's winning drags and I spot a silver TC with Nos in the back seat probabley not the same car but kinda ironic don't ya think. you know people called me a liar on the rocky montain radar thing and I dug and dug and dug until I made their balls ache and finnally got to the truth you've called me a liar and flamed me for telling the truth previousley about pipe bending. and now what I see in a video that you never saw or you just thougth I was to stupid to watch and actually pay attention to it. should I start rattleing off parts that are claimed to be made by ZPI that are just rebadged cause I can sure as heck spend a half a day doing that. I now have my boots on looking back through this thread and all the crap that has been thrown out in the form of video's am I supposed to take some guys word on a video shot int he middle of the night that a Tc killed a WRX but one thing I did see was a TC not even make it off the line against a red civic that was very clear like a crystal ball. have a good day guys I'll get back to you with that bottle count in full I believe I will even have a print off for you that I can attach as a thumbnail for my ZPI posts.I'll have my friend at NX fax it over. Get rid of the NOS and the lies and for god sakes quit being cheerleaders.

[rhythmnsmoke]

ok that just proves what I have said about wrx's previousley nothing new but I did do a little digging just for my own intrest and Nitrious express doesn't sell to ZPI however as quoted by modular depot in newport kentucky we only got set up with them a month ago and how many more bottles do you guys need filled again. my guy at nitrous express says they don't buy direct but they are getting lots of bottles through a local distributor and obviosley I found where they are getting refilled at and from the sound of it seemed to be alot of fillling going on. but don't worry my guy at nitrous express is digging into it and I would say within a few days we should have a year by year bottle count. Thats for calling me a liar about seeing nos in the videos it's kinda funny these silver TC's winning drags and I spot a silver TC with Nos in the back seat probabley not the same car but kinda ironic don't ya think. you know people called me a liar on the rocky montain radar thing and I dug and dug and dug until I made their balls ache and finnally got to the truth you've called me a liar and flamed me for telling the truth previousley about pipe bending. and now what I see in a video that you never saw or you just thougth I was to stupid to watch and actually pay attention to it. should I start rattleing off parts that are claimed to be made by ZPI that are just rebadged cause I can sure as heck spend a half a day doing that. I now have my boots on looking back through this thread and all the crap that has been thrown out in the form of video's am I supposed to take some guys word on a video shot int he middle of the night that a Tc killed a WRX but one thing I did see was a TC not even make it off the line against a red civic that was very clear like a crystal ball. have a good day guys I'll get back to you with that bottle count in full I believe I will even have a print off for you that I can attach as a thumbnail for my ZPI posts.I'll have my friend at NX fax it over. Get rid of the NOS and the lies and for god sakes quit being cheerleaders.



Dude, WTF are you talking about? And who is talking about rebadging products....YOU DO know that's not uncommon right? Companies do that all the time. Again, you lost me on the first part of this post. What are you saying again, cause I can't make it out. THE VID I JUST POSTED WAS NOT A ZPI CAR! So, again, you are loosing me in your N20 claims. ZPI doesn't use N20 for the UMPTENTH time. For the UMPTENTH time also, the only injection they have ever ran was Methanol injection. Meth Inject is NOT N20.

[rhythmnsmoke]

And here is another food for thought.....Say I were to throw in an N20 bottle into our car tomorrow, HOW does that equate to a conspiracy that I used it during a dyno run I did last year? Again, what purpose would it serve for them to lie about using N20? I went back an took another look at my own stinkin vid....Dude, are you serious to think that FUZZY ass image you saw to be a Huge N20 bottle....hahaa...maybe you should have your vision checked again. 1) It looks like a freaking white plastic bag, and 2) If it was an N20 bottle, I would have video'ed it the same way I video'ed the two bottles in the Blue STI, but seeing as how it was NOT an N20 bottle, I didn't pay any attention to it. I don't make fake vids bro.

Secondly.....Why don't you make your own thread discussing how you have this conspiracy theory that ZPI uses N20 in all of their Scions, and leave my thread to what it was intended for....Showing the potential of a Stage 0 turbo kit.:doh:

[Souljah]

Dude, WTF are you talking about? And who is talking about rebadging products....YOU DO know that's not uncommon right? Companies do that all the time. Again, you lost me on the first part of this post. What are you saying again, cause I can't make it out. THE VID I JUST POSTED WAS NOT A ZPI CAR! So, again, you are loosing me in your N20 claims. ZPI doesn't use N20 for the UMPTENTH time. For the UMPTENTH time also, the only injection they have ever ran was Methanol injection. Meth Inject is NOT N20.

i remember a post from a long time ago ZPI posted about killing an intake manifold while spraying in "attempt to see what it was capable of" which is all well and good, i'm not knocking zpi, but i'm like 98% postive it was zpi who did it. you might want to double check with them about never being on a bottle before you go preaching it. i could search SL and look for the post if you want.

[rhythmnsmoke]

i remember a post from a long time ago ZPI posted about killing an intake manifold while spraying in "attempt to see what it was capable of" which is all well and good, i'm not knocking zpi, but i'm like 98% postive it was zpi who did it. you might want to double check with them about never being on a bottle before you go preaching it. i could search SL and look for the post if you want.


They ran a test with JUST N20 at the very beginning of their companies exsistence. And that was on the GRAY car (their first Scion), the Silver one wasn't even purchased. The Gray car has not had a motor in it for well over a year and a half (it is suppose to be turned into a time attack car now, but the project is slow taking off). This N20 test was done way before ZPI started selling turbos. Don't confuse what I'm saying with "They never RAN N20" with "They never RUN N20". What SlimDizz is trying to get at is that they fake dyno runs by using spray, to which they don't have any cars hooked on spray. He is saying they try to pump up their numbers which makes no sense, as there are independent customers who have dynoed their cars and confirm the #'s being made. He is trying to say that they USE N20, and I'm telling you that they Don't. Not saying that they never, ever have used it Period. What I said is that they never, ever have used it on the Silver car, and Don't use it today on ANY of their Scions. This includes every last video they have. They never took videos of their first ever test of what a Scion motor can do. They don't have videos of their N20 test (which was done for R&D to begin with, to find the limitations of the 2az). After they did their N20 test on it, they boosted the motor and took the spray Off. And that's the video of the Gray car doing 12.1 in the 1/4. All of their vids, including dyno vids are ALL BOOST. So, I stand by what I said, I would roll up there and bring the camera in hand just to prove it to you if need be.

[rhythmnsmoke]

And just FYI, the vid I just posted with the 10sec tC in it.....Doesn't have Spray on it either. It's ALL BOOST as well. Goes to show, Nobody needs Spray + boost to make a tC reach 300whp, 330whp, 400whp, or break into the 10sec 1/4 mile range.

[Souljah]

[quote=rhythmnsmoke;180449]They ran a test with JUST N20 at the very beginning of their companies exsistence. And that was on the GRAY car (their first Scion), the Silver one wasn't even purchased. The Gray car has not had a motor in it for well over a year and a half (it is suppose to be turned into a time attack car now, but the project is slow taking off). This N20 test was done way before ZPI started selling turbos. Don't confuse what I'm saying with "They never RAN N20" with "They never RUN N20". What SlimDizz is trying to get at is that they fake dyno runs by using spray, to which they don't have any cars hooked on spray. He is saying they try to pump up their numbers which makes no sense, as there are independent customers who have dynoed their cars and confirm the #'s being made. He is trying to say that they USE N20, and I'm telling you that they Don't. Not saying that they never, ever have used it Period. What I said is that they never, ever have used it on the Silver car, and Don't use it today on ANY of their Scions. This includes every last video they have. They never took videos of their first ever test of what a Scion motor can do. They don't have videos of their N20 test (which was done for R&D to begin with, to find the limitations of the 2az). After they did their N20 test on it, they boosted the motor and took the spray Off. And that's the video of the Gray car doing 12.1 in the 1/4. All of their vids, including dyno vids are ALL BOOST. So, I stand by what I said, I would roll up there and bring the camera in hand just to prove it to you if need be.[/quote

ah ok, like i said, i just remember them saying they were using it. i didn't know what the whole discussion was about.

[rhythmnsmoke]

^^No prob. I'm just an advocate of providing accurate information. Now, back to our regulary scheduled program. More about the Stage 0. I haven't talked to Louis in a couple of days, so I'll give him a shout soon to see how everything is running. We have a chapter meet on the 24th, we will get some more pics. Rich (blownupmarine) just got his ZPI S-pipe installed. So I'll see if we can get a new race between them with Rich's new addition.

[slimsdizz]

no all I am saying is you called me a liar cause there was nos in the video you posted I didn't post it you did you said well point it out so I did you threw a hissy fit implying I was saying this I was saying that don't put words in my mouth.

bottom line you stated I have never seen NOS at ZPi or in one of their cars bottom line it was a lie period end of discussion.

did I ever ever say ZPi is fakeing dyno runs no I didn't I said I would like to see better vids period end of discussion.

Has Zpi gone and shot it's mouth off and ticked off alot of people all over the place yes they have is that my fault no it isn't they did it I didn't.

Then you flame me for makeing a post about something as stupid as pipe which I was ultimtley right about and you guys were wrong and just tried to trash me and the tread had to be locked was an apology ever given to me no it was not. did I ask for one no but if I am wrong I am the first to apologize.

That being said yes some companies do rebadge parts and try to pass them off as their own I think it is dishonest to the customer but it happens we don't do it if thats what your wondering.

you said you had never seen NOs I pointed it out you still insist ZPI doesn't use NOS I promise you this you will regret makeing that statement. then comes a post oh well we did it on one car then why in the heck have over a hundred bottles been bought and why are they continually being refilled locally if nobody is using NOS.

When people get on the defensive it's either because they are looking bad or because they have something to hide. well we are past the part of having something to hide because we know NOS is being bought refilled and are you gonna sit here and try to tell me that all that NOs and nobody is using it. I am sorry I just don't buy it I have never made an accusation that ZPI faked dyno video's but other people have in more than one forum.

I never made that accusation you assumed I did you twisted words to fit your own private agenda and to try to slam me and gang up on me because that how you guys operate. See all you had to do was say yeah hey i see the bottles in the video and I am sorry I missed them instead you try to discredit me. but instead of discrediting me your digging a hole you don't even need NOs to fake a dyno run and you know it all you gotta do is cut on the AC at baseline and cut it off for the pull. I have been around long enough to know a whole lot of people in this buisness i am a marketing Director I am in constant contact all day long with the people who supply zpi and thousands of other companies with parts. i have no qualms with ZPI let me make that clear what I have a problem with is when you say point something out and I do you don't acknowledge the mistake who cares if it was a scubie or the TC you said you never saw it in the building period and that wasn't the truth. i have filling stations verifying it isn't the truth.

And I will say it for the last time I never ever accused anyone of fakeing a dyno run nor have I ever said that ZPI would do so.

I have also never said that TC's were not capable of making big power and being a ten second car. but what I am saying is when you make a mistake you don't call people a liar you admit your mistake and move on and you sure as heck don't gang up on somone unless you have something to hide.

You call me a liar again I will get a copy of the order forms for Nos and post them because I will not stand by while someone tries to smear my name. If you wanna end the debate then just say hey some customers buy NOS for their cars we sell it. Say it was in the video and you made a mistake and thats not a car you would put on the dyno to advertise a new turbo kit. And say plain and clearley that we don't use NOS in dyno testing and to me that is sufficent for me to stand behind ZPI as a company. I won't have my name smeared and if I felt like anything I said in the past or now was wrong I would be the bigger man and apologize for it. Don't call me a liar or put words in my mouth and expect me to sit by and take it because I won't.

[rhythmnsmoke]

no all I am saying is you called me a liar cause there was nos in the video you posted I didn't post it you did you said well point it out so I did you threw a hissy fit implying I was saying this I was saying that don't put words in my mouth.

bottom line you stated I have never seen NOS at ZPi or in one of their cars bottom line it was a lie period end of discussion.

did I ever ever say ZPi is fakeing dyno runs no I didn't I said I would like to see better vids period end of discussion.

Has Zpi gone and shot it's mouth off and ticked off alot of people all over the place yes they have is that my fault no it isn't they did it I didn't.

Then you flame me for makeing a post about something as stupid as pipe which I was ultimtley right about and you guys were wrong and just tried to trash me and the tread had to be locked was an apology ever given to me no it was not. did I ask for one no but if I am wrong I am the first to apologize.

That being said yes some companies do rebadge parts and try to pass them off as their own I think it is dishonest to the customer but it happens we don't do it if thats what your wondering.

you said you had never seen NOs I pointed it out you still insist ZPI doesn't use NOS I promise you this you will regret makeing that statement. then comes a post oh well we did it on one car then why in the heck have over a hundred bottles been bought and why are they continually being refilled locally if nobody is using NOS.

When people get on the defensive it's either because they are looking bad or because they have something to hide. well we are past the part of having something to hide because we know NOS is being bought refilled and are you gonna sit here and try to tell me that all that NOs and nobody is using it. I am sorry I just don't buy it I have never made an accusation that ZPI faked dyno video's but other people have in more than one forum.

I never made that accusation you assumed I did you twisted words to fit your own private agenda and to try to slam me and gang up on me because that how you guys operate. See all you had to do was say yeah hey i see the bottles in the video and I am sorry I missed them instead you try to discredit me. but instead of discrediting me your digging a hole you don't even need NOs to fake a dyno run and you know it all you gotta do is cut on the AC at baseline and cut it off for the pull. I have been around long enough to know a whole lot of people in this buisness i am a marketing Director I am in constant contact all day long with the people who supply zpi and thousands of other companies with parts. i have no qualms with ZPI let me make that clear what I have a problem with is when you say point something out and I do you don't acknowledge the mistake who cares if it was a scubie or the TC you said you never saw it in the building period and that wasn't the truth. i have filling stations verifying it isn't the truth.

And I will say it for the last time I never ever accused anyone of fakeing a dyno run nor have I ever said that ZPI would do so.

I have also never said that TC's were not capable of making big power and being a ten second car. but what I am saying is when you make a mistake you don't call people a liar you admit your mistake and move on and you sure as heck don't gang up on somone unless you have something to hide.

You call me a liar again I will get a copy of the order forms for Nos and post them because I will not stand by while someone tries to smear my name. If you wanna end the debate then just say hey some customers buy NOS for their cars we sell it. Say it was in the video and you made a mistake and thats not a car you would put on the dyno to advertise a new turbo kit. And say plain and clearley that we don't use NOS in dyno testing and to me that is sufficent for me to stand behind ZPI as a company. I won't have my name smeared and if I felt like anything I said in the past or now was wrong I would be the bigger man and apologize for it. Don't call me a liar or put words in my mouth and expect me to sit by and take it because I won't.



The problem is, the N20 bottle you pointed out.....was NOT a ZPI built car. You don't provide any evidence of anything you are saying, and you expect people to believe you. ZPI isn't the only race shop in KY you know. There are about 8 different race shops in the same building complex that ZPI sits in. You say there are a bunch of bottles being filled, but don't provide any proof that its being done by ZPI, to which I would ask for you to go gather that proof. Until then, don't make another comment about how ZPI uses N20. And for Gods Sake, Stop calling it NOS. It's not NOS. Nos is a Company, not the chemical. You have filling Stations you said verfy the "truth", but you don't provide us with that information...Hmmm. If a customer walks into ZPI's shop with N20 bottles in his car...THAT does NOT equate to ZPI uses N20 bro, sorry to burst your bubble. They can't control what someone puts in his or her own car and then drives to them for work. THAT does not make ZPI into N20 Users. Therefore, it DOES matter that the car was a Subie and not one of ZPI's Scion cars. Also, if they sold N20, it would be listed on their site. On another token, I have Said it, Been Saying it, and you haven't listened to a word I've said. I told you they DON'T use N20. I told you that NONE of their vids are of ANY of their Scion's on Spray, which includes the Dyno videos. THEREFORE, only common sense would tell you, what you just said in the last paragraph. Here, let me requote it for you:

And say plain and clearley that we don't use NOS in dyno testing and to me that is sufficent for me to stand behind ZPI as a company.

HELLO...I've BEEN saying that plain and clearly...geesh. And everytime I told you that, you just turn around and say "Get some videos underneath the car, inside, and the engine bay during the dyno". Obviously, me telling you PLAIN and CLEARLY isn't sufficient enough.


Umm K....So, can you move along now, and make your own thread.


PS...Go get your order form copies from Whoever with ZPI's name on it, with a recent Date on it of them filling N20 bottles, and I will call up Kenny to find out which car the bottle was filled for. And if it was for a Scion that THEY themselves owned, I will give you a $1 and an "I'm wrong, my bad". But don't hold your breathe.

[slimsdizz]

I did tell you the name of the company that said they were filling bottles regurley for ZPI modular depot in Newport look a page back there again you are calling me a liar and saying i didn't back up what I said I did in plain and simple english. but since yu want to continue to push the issue and it is obviousley in the video's I obviousley have an independant shop saying hey will fill bottles for them all the time. and my guy at NX digging it won't be to awful long.

you tell me not to call it NOS honestley how much do you know about cars you say NOs is a brand yes ther eis a company called NOS but the chemical name for nitrous oxide in short is NOS no matter what company it comes from or what sticker you have on the bottles.seriousley thats like grade school car knowledge whether it's a wet system or dry fog system your still ultimetley using NOS.

[rhythmnsmoke]

I did tell you the name of the company that said they were filling bottles regurley for ZPI modular depot in Newport look a page back there again you are calling me a liar and saying i didn't back up what I said I did in plain and simple english. but since yu want to continue to push the issue and it is obviousley in the video's I obviousley have an independant shop saying hey will fill bottles for them all the time. and my guy at NX digging it won't be to awful long.

you tell me not to call it NOS honestley how much do you know about cars you say NOs is a brand yes ther eis a company called NOS but the chemical name for nitrous oxide in short is NOS no matter what company it comes from or what sticker you have on the bottles.seriousley thats like grade school car knowledge whether it's a wet system or dry fog system your still ultimetley using NOS.



My point exactly, you TOLD me. Just like I TOLD you they don't use it themselves. Secondly, we don't say NOS, (you get made fun of around here like you've been watching to much F&F). It's either called Nitrous, or you say "That car is on Spray". But Nobody says NOS. Sounds like a grade school term....

PS...Still waiting on those documented proofs. You could of at least provided the phone # to the contact. Again, it doesn't change the fact that they DON'T use N20 in their own personal shop cars. It doesn't change the fact that their dyno videos are nothing but good ole fashion BOOST with Turbos. It doesn't change the fact that they don't use N20 in their racing vids or track times. So, why are you still arguing about it?

Just because I go to the grocery store to buy tampons for my wife doesn't make me a tampon user....:rofl: :rofl:

[slimsdizz]

I did tell you the name of the company that said they were filling bottles regurley for ZPI modular depot in Newport look a page back there again you are calling me a liar and saying i didn't back up what I said I did in plain and simple english. but since yu want to continue to push the issue and it is obviousley in the video's I obviousley have an independant shop saying hey will fill bottles for them all the time. and my guy at NX digging it won't be to awful long.

you tell me not to call it NOS honestley how much do you know about cars you say NOs is a brand yes there is a company called NOS but the chemical name for nitrous oxide in short is NOS no matter what company it comes from or what sticker you have on the bottles.seriousley thats like grade school car knowledge everyone refers to it as nos or spraying, whether it's a wet system or dry fog system your still ultimetley using NOS the other post was right on as well because I didn't wanna bring any other forums into this but they spouted their mouth off on scion life until people got fed up with it and they also made nitrous claims on scion Tech and on scion tech it was nester who did it people go so tired of him they didn't believe a word that he said and yes I spelled the screename correctley nester he is not a member here. people didn't put up with the junk there and I don't know why they are putting up with the junk here .

you wanna go down Nesters Road and try to tell everyone Nology wires will give a scion a five whp gain because thats what he did and there are thousands of posts on thousands of forums that say their wires are junk. Then he made the claim we make our own pullies we have a water jet no you don't ZPI rebadges there crank pullies he also talkes about using the gas alot and quite frankley I think he may have had the tube running into his mouth with the things he used to say he made the whole company look terrible and ticked off a whole community this is an enviroment that he mainley created. I called him out about the pipe bending to on that forum he made the same claim you guys did previousley and lost. Did you know we also made an open forum wide tuning challenge between ZPI and our company and they would not accept you do a google search for mark riley and you will find one of the best tuners in the countrey you think ZPI would put a few years experience at the time against 35 almost 36 years of experience your talking about the guy who wrote the original programs for most of the standalones on the market today and has time and time agian built some of the fastest cars in the country no nester was quick to shoot the mouth off but when it came to backing it up he would run and hide and I will be more than happy to go to scionlife and siontech and bring over some posts from ZPI about Nitrious oxide usage. See the employees have ran their mouths so much and now you won't even ackknowledge whats in plain site. by the way if that subaru made it into a magazine someone need to be taken out of their position that is the ugliest wing I have ever seen on a car. you guys are using nitrious oxide period and it's under the table and it's shady I looked on the website and you don't sell it to customers off the site so that makes me even more suspicious because obviousley all the bottles aren't going to outside sources they are being used on the inside by a select group of ZPI cheerleaders employees and friends and you guys have lost all credibility. so back to your main topic your stage zero kit I'll be at NOPI this year in atlanata so will 150 diffrent car memebrs in my crew along with the WRX and I will bring my camera and see if you can walk on the scubie or the R32 or even the 14000 horsepower mustang or our grand national with a twin turbo cadillac engine pushing almost 2000 horsepower full blown in it heck I will even throw the XA or the MX6 on the line with you so fill your bottles full heck make a stack cause your gonna need them and if you don't show I'll find a show your gonna be at and we will come to you.

My honest feelings are if ZPI obviousley cannot be honest on other forums and they cannot be honest here why do they deserve the right to be on forums period. it's not my forum but if it was I would kick you off for not telling the truth and if whoever runs the forum needs to verify the data I have some names and numbers they are welcome to call to verify the data that ZPI is using NOS or nitrious oxide since you don't seem to understand the diffrence

[J3ST3R]

you tell me not to call it NOS honestley how much do you know about cars you say NOs is a brand yes there is a company called NOS but the chemical name for nitrous oxide in short is NOS no matter what company it comes from or what sticker you have on the

....actually the chemical name for Nitrous Oxide is N2O, or dinitrogen oxide..also would your lawyers/legal staff be ok with you giving out customer/order information on a forum for all to read and see....?

[rhythmnsmoke]

^^:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2: I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself but to laugh at all of that. You are too funny.


PS...thought you might like to know, that not only was that Subie in a popular mag, but It was on the Front Cover nonetheless. I believe the mag was Super Street. :beer:

[Souljah]

....actually the chemical name for Nitrous Oxide is N2O, or dinitrogen oxide..also would your lawyers/legal staff be ok with you giving out customer/order information on a forum for all to read and see....?

i'm pretty sure it's legal just as long as prices aren't shown. i could be wrong but i don't see how showing something was purchased broke any law.

[J3ST3R]

i'm pretty sure it's legal just as long as prices aren't shown. i could be wrong but i don't see how showing something was purchased broke any law.
I would think that posting a copy of customers order online would be a legal issue...but maybe I could be wrong.....it would not be the first time....LOL

[Souljah]

I would think that posting a copy of customers order online would be a legal issue...but maybe I could be wrong.....it would not be the first time....LOL

unless there are any disclosure policys signed there shouldn't be any broken law. but like you said, it wouldn't be the first time i was wrong ^_^

[rhythmnsmoke]

Oh, and by the way Slimdizz, seeing as how your so bent up on that whole calling it "NOS" and that it's the proper and standard term, why don't you do this for me. I want you to sit down at your tube, turn to the show PINKS. And I want you to count EVERY SINGLE TIME they say "NOS" and let me know umm...k. For every time they say "NOS", I will apologize that TIMES 2 for WHATEVER you want me to apologize for Ok...:rofl:

[rhythmnsmoke]

Forgive me all, I apologize. I can no longer continue this fiascal and try to hide what is really the truth. I found this evidence in side of one of ZPI's tool boxes.

http://www.samoadragstrip.com/NOS_LOGO1.jpg

That's it, game over. All of the ZPI cars run NOS, I can't deny it any more.

And on top of THAT, they are even using it to somehow circumvent and cheat the local electric company by using the stuff to power their Shop's electricity..

http://a6.vox.com/6a00bf76c99e8393b500bf76d0aa9e4383-500pi



:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

[aalbertson3]

Would everyone please try and keep this thread on topic. No more he said she said bullshit, no more drama. If anyone still has something to "prove" take it to PM's. Thanks :-)

[slimsdizz]

did I not say I am the first to apologize if I feel I upset somone well obviousley I got you guys upset. I do feel that what I saw in the vids were accurate I had the forms faxed to me today it seems through 06-07 there were not very many bottles purchased at all in previous years there were a number of bottles purchased but it was before the the dyno vids apeared so I suspect these bottles were used on scubies and thats even speculation. I searched through scionlife and only found one post where kenny talks about spraying 120 shot of Gas to a TC to test the cars limits. I am now fully satisfied that nitrious is not being used in runs which I never implied in the first place so I will not apologize for. I did find over 300 people ask that same question on other forums. I now feel those concerns have been adressed to my personal satisfaction. I do however feel that i was right in pointing out the bottles in the video that you said were not there and I feel i was right in the fact of the pipe and the previous post about zpi crank pullies being made by perrrin and that I didn't feel it was right to advertise them as superior or to advertise nology wires as a great power increasing upgrade which was done over time on various posts. so good luck with your stage zero. I cannot and will nto speculate what those old bottles are being used for or where they currentley are installed. I however feel pretty confident that they are not regurley being installed in scions. i hope this brings this matter to a close in the intrest of unity of the community. I am sorry if you misunderstood or misenterpreted anything I said I felt like my points were valid and I still feel like the bar need to be raised in the future. but like I said good luck and I will see you guys at the shows.

[rhythmnsmoke]

Finally, Back to the Stage 0....:dance:

[rhythmnsmoke]

New info from Louis. Spoke to him today, as he was asking some questions. He has been beating on his car pretty regularly.....and was rather upset to find we top out at only 130mph...as he was racing some V8 on the interstate.
Anyhow, he also indicated that his 1/8th mile times that day were also 9.0 (again, on stock scion tires). His brother has an LS motor swapped into a hatchback Civic, with a 55 shot. His brother was running 9.15 in the 1/8th. So, he brother asked him to run on the street, and they did. Again, Louis is still new to driving his turbocharged tC, so here is how it played out.

They agreed on a 40 roll.

1) Civic jumps out on him by a car from the punch. But Louis would start pulling back little by little.

2) Same thing, Civic gets jump, and little by little Louis pulls.


At this point, Louis took me upon my advice and decided to give it another shot and trying to brake boost. So, his brother decided to give him some time to get set. Louis said he brake boosted it up to like 1 PSI.

3) 3 honks, Louis Jumps out by a car HARD instantly, and never looked back.

4) They did it again, and same thing, He is now the one jumping on the Civic and pulling away.


As they pulled over :rofl: :rofl: He asked his brother if he turned off his Nitrous... :rofl: :rofl: (apparently the change was that drastic). Brother said No. And was like "what the hell did you do different". To which Louis replied and told him he was practicing what I told him to do. His brother was like..."damn that stuff works". "Bad a$$ tC for only 6lbs of boost." His brother was bowing down to a boosted tC only on 6lbs.... :rofl:

[slimsdizz]

I know I have ben on this thread enough has anyone tried and hks speed limiter delete I hear they work.

[Souljah]

I know I have ben on this thread enough has anyone tried and hks speed limiter delete I hear they work.

won't do much good. rev limiter is at like 6300 or something like that
so you might get a few extra mph by taking the speed limiter off, but you still can't safely rev high enough to make it worth while

[Souljah]

New info from Louis. Spoke to him today, as he was asking some questions. He has been beating on his car pretty regularly.....and was rather upset to find we top out at only 130mph...as he was racing some V8 on the interstate.
Anyhow, he also indicated that his 1/8th mile times that day were also 9.0 (again, on stock scion tires). His brother has an LS motor swapped into a hatchback Civic, with a 55 shot. His brother was running 9.15 in the 1/8th. So, he brother asked him to run on the street, and they did. Again, Louis is still new to driving his turbocharged tC, so here is how it played out.

They agreed on a 40 roll.

1) Civic jumps out on him by a car from the punch. But Louis would start pulling back little by little.

2) Same thing, Civic gets jump, and little by little Louis pulls.


At this point, Louis took me upon my advice and decided to give it another shot and trying to brake boost. So, his brother decided to give him some time to get set. Louis said he brake boosted it up to like 1 PSI.

3) 3 honks, Louis Jumps out by a car HARD instantly, and never looked back.

4) They did it again, and same thing, He is now the one jumping on the Civic and pulling away.


As they pulled over :rofl: :rofl: He asked his brother if he turned off his Nitrous... :rofl: :rofl: (apparently the change was that drastic). Brother said No. And was like "what the hell did you do different". To which Louis replied and told him he was practicing what I told him to do. His brother was like..."damn that stuff works". "Bad a$$ tC for only 6lbs of boost." His brother was bowing down to a boosted tC only on 6lbs.... :rofl:

what are his A/F's at?

just a random thought, does his brother have the gsr head on the ls motor, or did he just swap in the ls and not go for the gold with the gsr head?

[rhythmnsmoke]

won't do much good. rev limiter is at like 6300 or something like that
so you might get a few extra mph by taking the speed limiter off, but you still can't safely rev high enough to make it worth while


You take the speed limiter off, the gearing is good up to at least 140mph. That was proven by the 10sec tC video. That car has a stock tranny.

[rhythmnsmoke]

what are his A/F's at?

just a random thought, does his brother have the gsr head on the ls motor, or did he just swap in the ls and not go for the gold with the gsr head?


Now why would I know all of that?

[Krdshrk]

HKS speed limiter delete? How does that work? Got specs on it? I know someone who would want this...

[rhythmnsmoke]

HKS speed limiter delete? How does that work? Got specs on it? I know someone who would want this...


Doesn't the E-manage Ultimate do the same thing if you buy the harness for it?

[Krdshrk]

No clue.

[suryad]

This thread is most interesting. I still cant find any info on the net for the ZPI Stage 0 kit. How much hp does it make? How much does it cost? I found a kit from http://www.tbkperformance.net/939702.html that makes 270 at the wheel...any info guys?

[rhythmnsmoke]

This thread is most interesting. I still cant find any info on the net for the ZPI Stage 0 kit. How much hp does it make? How much does it cost? I found a kit from http://www.tbkperformance.net/939702.html that makes 270 at the wheel...any info guys?


You aren't looking in the right places then my man. ScionLife in the F/I section has the Stage 0 all over the place. Not to mention:

www.zpiracing.net (http://www.zpiracing.net)


by the way, that link you just posted with the 270whp is @ 9 PSI. Not 6 like that of a Stage 0. If you want more power, then you should look at a Stage 1. 300whp @ 9/10 PSI.

[suryad]

You aren't looking in the right places then my man. ScionLife in the F/I section has the Stage 0 all over the place. Not to mention:

www.zpiracing.net (http://www.zpiracing.net)


by the way, that link you just posted with the 270whp is @ 9 PSI. Not 6 like that of a Stage 0. If you want more power, then you should look at a Stage 1. 300whp @ 9/10 PSI.


Yeah you are right I wasnt loking at the right places. Thanks!

[suryad]

That Stage 1 looks like what I would want. Surely anything more than 350 whp would seriously harm the reliability wouldnt it? Even the Stage 1 gets me concerned on reliability. As with turbos...what rpm before the turbos spool up and the boost comes in do you know?

[rhythmnsmoke]

That Stage 1 looks like what I would want. Surely anything more than 350 whp would seriously harm the reliability wouldnt it? Even the Stage 1 gets me concerned on reliability. As with turbos...what rpm before the turbos spool up and the boost comes in do you know?


We have a Stage 1. Been on it for a little over a year now. Still stock engine. The ZPI kits come with the Big Evo III 16G turbo. Of all the kits out, it's perhaps considered the fastest spooling one you can buy because of it's turbo. You should hit full boost between 2500-3k RPM's. It spools extremely fast which is what makes it a very competitive kit to beat Lb for Lb. We are running 9/10 PSI daily on ours. If you wish to see it's capabilities in a real world "street" senario, just go to Youtube and check out my vids. Search for rhythmnsmoke.

[suryad]

Thanks much for your help. I will check out the vids as soon as I get home. The kit looks very very yummy! ;P

Also I had a quick question. At the moment I have an 07 tC and Injen CAI, Magnaflow exhaust...and then this weekend the Monstermotorworks header and s pipe are going in.....would that affect the turbo kit if I do that later on ?

[rhythmnsmoke]

Thanks much for your help. I will check out the vids as soon as I get home. The kit looks very very yummy! ;P

Also I had a quick question. At the moment I have an 07 tC and Injen CAI, Magnaflow exhaust...and then this weekend the Monstermotorworks header and s pipe are going in.....would that affect the turbo kit if I do that later on ?


And feels even Yummy'er! Yep, most Definitely will effect all of that you just mentioned, except the exhaust. The turbo kit will replace your CAI with a Charge pipe, and the Header will be replaced by the turbo manifold. Your S-pipe is part of the exhaust, so it would be good still. But you would have to sell the CAI and Header.

[slimsdizz]

to put it in perspective the speed limiter delete works just like a mil eliminator it unlocks the speed and stops the check engine light so you can pass inspection. just like a mil eliminator stops the check engine light and allows you to eliminate o2 sensors these are mainlay used on scubies and ford mustang cobras I dunno if anyone has used a mil eliminator on a scion yet or not. but the HKS speed limiter delete should work it works fine on the turbo'd honda preludes and they are universal and they help you pick up alot of top end speed without having to go to a standalone setup.you can take the car as far as the tranny and rev limiter will let you they make a rev limiter delete some other company makes that i forget but i would definentley advise against using one on a scion however they have been used very sucessfully on high compression high revving natrually aspirated honda motors for along time of course you have to build the heck out of them to get those RPM's but hey there are devices out there that can eliminate issues that are less expensive than a standalone setup.

[suryad]

And feels even Yummy'er! Yep, most Definitely will effect all of that you just mentioned, except the exhaust. The turbo kit will replace your CAI with a Charge pipe, and the Header will be replaced by the turbo manifold. Your S-pipe is part of the exhaust, so it would be good still. But you would have to sell the CAI and Header.


Oh no!!! I had a feeling the header and intake would be left out.....so sad.....

[Souljah]

You take the speed limiter off, the gearing is good up to at least 140mph. That was proven by the 10sec tC video. That car has a stock tranny.

interesting. when i toped my car out at 127 i was right around 5.5k if i remember right

[Souljah]

travis next time you talk to your friend can you find out what his A/F's are like?

[rhythmnsmoke]

travis next time you talk to your friend can you find out what his A/F's are like?


I'm sure they are PIG rich at around Low to mid 10's. So, more power is to be had even at this level. This is what Kenny tunes at for newbies. Louis does not have a Wideband yet, so I can't officially give you the #'s. It's done by Kenny's ability for tunning a Scion, to be able to do it with no wideband OR dyno. He tunned our car like that for nearly a year. Then recently I got a wideband installed, and he tunned it off of that, and it runs even stronger than it ever has in any of the vids that I have posted. All the vids I have, have been a street tune with no dyno, no wideband, and just Kenny's expertise.

[Souljah]

i thought the stage 0 had to fm, how did he tune it? just using a spring for 6lbs of boost? the reason i'm asking is because i'm starting to lean into just building my tc. just trying to get an idea what are the kits are running. what i'll prolly end up doing is when ZPI opens up a shop here in NJ bring it over to them, and have them do a stage 1 kit and head job, use ultimate and raise my rev up to like 7.5 - 8.

[rhythmnsmoke]

i thought the stage 0 had to fm, how did he tune it? just using a spring for 6lbs of boost? the reason i'm asking is because i'm starting to lean into just building my tc. just trying to get an idea what are the kits are running. what i'll prolly end up doing is when ZPI opens up a shop here in NJ bring it over to them, and have them do a stage 1 kit and head job, use ultimate and raise my rev up to like 7.5 - 8.


No FMIC with the Stage 0. What separates a Stage 0 from a Stage 1 is:

1) Fuel Management
2) Larger Injectors
3) FMIC
4) 8 and 10 PSI springs (instead of a 6)
5) HKS BOV.

Louis got the management and Bov as optional upgrades to his Stage 0. He still needs a 10lb spring, larger injectors, and fmic to turn into a Stage 1.

He street tuned Louis car, as well as ours. Hooking up a Laptop to the E-manage and then logging and adjusting as he goes.

[Krdshrk]

I dunno - even with the fuel management, he's still on the stock injectors. Those must be close to maxing out...

[rhythmnsmoke]

I dunno - even with the fuel management, he's still on the stock injectors. Those must be close to maxing out...


Well, you have to keep in mind, that there are other Stage 0's that don't run management at all.

[suryad]

Just curious but what be the gas mileage on a stage 1 or a stage 0?

[rhythmnsmoke]

Just curious but what be the gas mileage on a stage 1 or a stage 0?


Depends on the tune. Our tC gets better gas mileage than our 350Z still, even though it's pig rich.

[suryad]

Wow...so like 20 mpg?

[rhythmnsmoke]

Wow...so like 20 mpg?


I'd say around 22-25 as long as you keep your foot out of the floor board...:hide:

[suryad]

Haha that is not bad at all.

[Krdshrk]

I'm getting anywhere from 18 to 29mpg. It depends on how i'm driving. If i'm driving locally and doing stop/go normal traffic (stop at a stop light, accelerating a lot), I'm getting 18-20mpg. That's with me being somewhat of an a-hole on the gas.

If i'm just cruising on the highway, I can get almost 30mpg.

[slimsdizz]

just curious when you say pig rich as far as the fuel is concerned do you happen to have the air fuel ratio's or even the fuel curve readout on the dyno. running rich is better than running lean thats for sure but running a car rich can cause alot of problems down the road as well. so I am just curious why your running it so rich. I haven't persoanlly dealt with emanage but is this something that cannot be tuned so it's running right with the boost level your giving it. or is it runnig rich because at certain points the boost is spikeing and causing the car to go into a lean condition and this is how they are avoiding it by setting up to run rich all the time. I'm sure kenny is the only one who could answer this but maybe you guys know. I know some subaru shops tune their cars off of a dyno but why wold you tune a scion not using a dyno. Every car that we tune is tuned on the dyno even if it takes 30 pulls to get it perfect. of course I guess I am not takeing into account that your shipping kits out so that may be the reason people can always have carbon build up cleaned out and fouled plugs changed it's better then blowing a motor. I'm just curious why the cars aren't being tuned on the dyno diffrent intakes,diffrent headers,diffrent exhausts.ect. will all give diffrent results and run in diffrent conditions what may be super rich on one persons car may be fine on another car and may be lean on somone elses car. Do you think that people who buy kits even if they are premapped shoud go to a shop and dyno their cars and have them tuned. Whats your thoughts on this?

thats why we have never gone comercial and shipped out kits because you never know what other parts people are using. or is zpi doing something like cobb does with the scubies and you buy it in stages and it's pretuned with this certain intake this certain downpipe and exhaust ect ect. I am just curious could you shed some more light on that for me please politley

[rhythmnsmoke]

just curious when you say pig rich as far as the fuel is concerned do you happen to have the air fuel ratio's or even the fuel curve readout on the dyno. running rich is better than running lean thats for sure but running a car rich can cause alot of problems down the road as well. so I am just curious why your running it so rich. I haven't persoanlly dealt with emanage but is this something that cannot be tuned so it's running right with the boost level your giving it. or is it runnig rich because at certain points the boost is spikeing and causing the car to go into a lean condition and this is how they are avoiding it by setting up to run rich all the time. I'm sure kenny is the only one who could answer this but maybe you guys know. I know some subaru shops tune their cars off of a dyno but why wold you tune a scion not using a dyno. Every car that we tune is tuned on the dyno even if it takes 30 pulls to get it perfect. of course I guess I am not takeing into account that your shipping kits out so that may be the reason people can always have carbon build up cleaned out and fouled plugs changed it's better then blowing a motor. I'm just curious why the cars aren't being tuned on the dyno diffrent intakes,diffrent headers,diffrent exhausts.ect. will all give diffrent results and run in diffrent conditions what may be super rich on one persons car may be fine on another car and may be lean on somone elses car. Do you think that people who buy kits even if they are premapped shoud go to a shop and dyno their cars and have them tuned. Whats your thoughts on this?

thats why we have never gone comercial and shipped out kits because you never know what other parts people are using. or is zpi doing something like cobb does with the scubies and you buy it in stages and it's pretuned with this certain intake this certain downpipe and exhaust ect ect. I am just curious could you shed some more light on that for me please politley



Yes, we have the AEM Wideband in our car. Yes Emanage can be tuned. We are still on the same map as we had during winter. So, it's just time for a new tune now that it's hot out, it's time to lean her out some and pick up more power, and my lost PSI level. Because you never know whats on a customers car, the turbo companies generally will send you a preprogrammed management that is set to run rich.

Yes you should go have it retuned for your environment once you get everything installed.


PS...No boost spiking here.

[rhythmnsmoke]

As soon as Rich gets his 5th gear Synchro replaced, we will do some more S/C'er vs Stage 0 runs.

Louis knows how to brake boost better, so we will see how that pans out.


PS....Rich is also toying with going the turbo route, and joining the dark side.

[slimsdizz]

that was kinda what I figured and that was definentley a good professional explanation.

[rhythmnsmoke]

no problem.