BEST SIMPLE MOD EVER! Need help though.

[VerZn7]

Ok, so... Simply put. I'm sick and tired of people asking me to open the back sunroof... It makes me sad that i have a car made specifically for modding out, and i cant even make the kids in the back (no matter how annoynig they are) happy by opening the back sunroof so they can ash their damn cigarettes out the window.

SO! Scikotics unite!

Help me devise a plan to get this 06 TC to have a secondary sunroof. How dope of an idea is this! Now, i've been thinking about it, and all you would need would be another sunroof motor from motors.ebay.com and somehow get the back glass panel removed, and create your own system that would enable you to do the same thing to the back sunroof that does in the front. Now there are a few tricks to it.

There's endless opportunities here people. Also, endless problems. Like, say you open the back, then the front, and the front gets in the way and poof, you have two broken pieces of glass o your hands.

But, alas... It can be simplified. I mean, if essentially you just run the same sunroof set-up that there is in the front to the back, and make sure they will run correctly and not into eachother, then you have a badass set-up.

Now, anyone familiar with the sunroof assembly?
Anyone ever done this?
Does anyone know 100% that it wont work?
Does anyone know 100% that this will work?
How much is the whole assembly for the sunroof? Track, motor, mounts, assembly, the whole shabang.

And is anyone willing to share information about this?

So, simple enough idea. Something clean and classy i've wanted to do to my TC for a while. Just a thought. Feedback is welcome.

[El_Jorge]

this is soooooooooooo far from a simple mod. But would look dopeif done right. If its even possible

[JylBish]

Sounds pretty complex, actually. LOL

But it would be awesome if it can be done!

[Human Collapse]

You also have to devise a track system that works. Your best option for this would be to create a latch system and just remove the glass saying, "Tada! It's open now shut the hell up!" Haha.

The motor would be the most difficult thing in probably, so you could get a set of tracks from something else maybe and cut them/shape them to work, making it a manual sunroof. Also since this glass wasn't designed to be removed, there may be leaking issues after you have removed it.

Lots of thoughts on this. If I think of more while I'm at work, I'll get back on here later.

[WeAkSaUcE]

it would be badass! i have also thought bout the 2nd sunroof opening but it got too complicated n stopped thinkin bout it lol

[TRD TC]

harder than you think

[lucytheshedevil]

ive seen it on i think a pontiac g6 i know it was a pontiac. best bet might be to find a wrecked one and steal it off that lol

[HammeredRooster]

I looked into this as well and there is no way. the best you could do is the removeable, or have the back tilt up and lock in like the old-school van windows. and that still might not have the right clearance.

The coolest thing I have been able to do so far with the sunroof is make it work by remote control even when the car is off

[VerZn7]

Aww, lame sauce. Well... As always, i'll close the thread with the supportation of the greatest thing to ever listen to when riding in a TC with the music blasting.

It's a little thing i like to call Zombie killing music.

Everyone that's read this please download the band Apocaliptica and their song "inquisition symphony" NOW! dont listen to the song until in the car, cd in the cd player, and the volume is turned up really loud... Then just, go to the gas station or something. And remember... Zombie Killing music.

[Aurora]

Sounds awesome. I had thought about the same mod bro. Maybe we can work together on that!

Yeah, the easiest way is to get the same moonroof as the front and apply it to the rear. That actually would be easy, but probably costly.

[Human Collapse]

ive seen it on i think a pontiac g6 i know it was a pontiac. best bet might be to find a wrecked one and steal it off that lol

That would probably be a G6, yeah, I think they have a GIANT panoramic sunroof that folds back about three or four panes of glass to the back.

http://www.sunroofs.org/tech/lamella4.jpg

Maybe it's not as big as I thought...

[THansenite]

You'd have to be very careful. If you have the back open and forget about it, then try opening the hatch, you will be buying a new chunk of glass.

As far as the assembly, it is really expensive. The roof assembly is all one piece if I remember correctly. I have been thinking about fabbing my own carbon fiber roof panels for racing next season and decided that I would only replace the front and middle pieces and just a cover for the back because it would be a pain in the ass to get off.

[THansenite]

If you scroll all the way to the bottom of this file, it shows that the track assembly is attached to the rear glass. The front and middle come off, but the rear is attached.
http://tijil.org/Scion_Docs/05_tC_Shop_Manuals/Repair%20Info/Repair%20Manual/Sliding%20Roof-Convertible/Sliding%20Roof/conponen.pdf

This file shows you how to remove the sunroof assembly. This way, I figured you could see what a pain it would be to get it off the car, let alone install another track assembly.
http://tijil.org/Scion_Docs/05_tC_Shop_Manuals/Repair%20Info/Repair%20Manual/Sliding%20Roof-Convertible/Sliding%20Roof/x040001.pdf

Don't get me wrong, I think this would be an awesome idea and I would love to see it, however, it would take A LOT of time and money to do this and to do it right. If you do decide to tackle this project, be sure to post your progress.

[g.monkey]

You'd have to be very careful. If you have the back open and forget about it, then try opening the hatch, you will be buying a new chunk of glass.

As far as the assembly, it is really expensive. The roof assembly is all one piece if I remember correctly. I have been thinking about fabbing my own carbon fiber roof panels for racing next season and decided that I would only replace the front and middle pieces and just a cover for the back because it would be a pain in the ass to get off.

is this a replacement like you are talking about, or is this just a cover?

http://www.ilovebodykits.com/product/14255/Kaminari__05-08_tC_Carbon_Fiber_Roof.html

[VerZn7]

is this a replacement like you are talking about, or is this just a cover?

http://www.ilovebodykits.com/product/14255/Kaminari__05-08_tC_Carbon_Fiber_Roof.html

Naw that's what Thamsanite was talking about. And guys... Dont be so negative. Our cars are MEANT FOR THIS! THIS IS WHY WE ARE SCIONS!

Remember that next time.

But in all seriousness. Money isnt going to be the hard part, or the fabbing. It's literally going to be the "is this going to all fit correctly, and still look correct" question.
Because, as far as im concerned. I was about to go with a motor and just literally connect a track to the glass after i popped it out and make sure that the seal was correct, and then call it a day. But that was before even looking at the roof.

NOW! i have done the previous said looking, and i can say. Im happy. lol.

Guys, literally there is the same little "2 track" system that is in the back as there is in the front. It consists of the open close matt on the second or bottom of the track. And then there's another track on top of that one. Now, the top track is what's used to guide the motor system for the front glass piece. Just go outside while reading this, take a minute and look at it like i did. The two areas of "useage" that we'll be concerned about is actually identically similar in both front and back. The trick will be fabbing the motor system, and running track, and fitting the motor into that small of an area.

Here's my idea for that if your following me so far.

If you went outside and looked at the running track like i said to you'll understand what im getting at here. There's a piece that slides back on the upper track in the front glass piece that i believe we can take advantage of. Why not weld a metal bar onto that one, and create a one piece system with a similar piece at the end of the metal bar, also welded, to guide the system for the back piece. Now, you'd need one on each side to match the front. So, thats only 1/3 of the battle here.

That means, that if we have that done, and the glass removed from the back "sunroof mode" then we essentially have...
1.working front sunroof with modded running track going to the back.
2.removed glass section in back.
3. Classy ninja look we're looking for.

Ok, now to solve 2/3 of the equation. We need to have the roof do the cool raising of the back that we all love. Now, i havent quite gotten this figured out. Im assuming we will do the same as part 1/3. Just make the same assembly pieces that support the front glass... Ill look at the system again when it's light out as it is 11:30 right now, and im too tired. lol. SO!
Assuming we can do that without a lot of trouble, and we can fit the system right behind the roll pillar separating the two glass areas, we will now have 2/3 of it done. We'll have...
1. Working front sunroof with modded track assembly attached to back glass.
2. Working motor to lift glass into "vented" position for both front and back glass.
3. Classy ninja look we're all looking for.




Which leads me to the harder part. I'm not the best at this, but i know what im doing so bear with me here for 3/3.

We need to have both glass pieces open concurrently, so that there's no issues with broken glass, or one button for one, and one for the other. Now, i do reccomend taking this part into your own hands, because this is just my idea. As we always say. The possibilities are endless, and if you want the front to open separate from the back go ahead and run a seperate switch. Now. lets put this in order of proper installation assuming that i didnt muck anything up, and there's a person good and willing to read all of this. (oy)

1. weld track assembly from front glass motor slider to back, (bypassing all closed areas in roll pillar of course) thus allowing for stealthy opening and closing of our second sunroof.

2. Mount second motor mount for lifting the second glass piece, and wire into same circut as the Dome light button that is used currently. Thus, giving us a vent feature to the second glass piece. As well as giving us the ability to vent each at once, without having a second button.

The reason we are welding the "new" track is so we do not have to use a third motor to achieve the same effect that the one motor can that we already use daily.

Ok. So, theoretically Now we have this...

1. Push the button to open the sunroof...
2. It will assume vent mode, using both motors we have in our new cars. With the new wiring system, sending a signal to both motors saying "going up". Once optimal vertical status is achieved and the motors stop...
3. Push the button again, and the slide mechanism that is strictly in the front will do its part to push open the front sunroof, like always, AND!!! the bar that we welded onto the track and onto the back track, and mounted onto the glass will push the second piece of glass backwards at the same time, no broken glass because of the design of the bar. It's a single movement. Impossible to mess up.

So, there you have it. a bottle of coke later, and some way messed up spelling and punctuation, and we've done it. Simple, as i said. But there's still come kinks to work out. Like, if we'll be able to even get through the roll pillar separating the front and back panel.

Also, the back isnt meant to be lifted, we're playing with fire in the rain dept. So, optimum rubber seals are a must now. No big deal. Like i said, easy...

I feel so much better now. haha! Alright, lets get talking.

[TRD TC]

well if you attempt to do it yourself please make a video would love to watch it .. hopefully it can be done

[muzachead]

if people are complaining about not being able to ash out the back then wouldn't it be easier to get the rear window on the sides to pop out like an older truck, lol. that would be kool and silly...:1036946487_gif:

i think this is not to simple for ya to accomplish...what about just putting leds in the sunroof? i have been trying to figure this out and can't find the space. if you know how please PM me don't want to take of the thread, lol

[VerZn7]

You know what? Thats a good idea... Anyone interested in putting the same kind of window tracking system in our back indows as well? I just think it'd be cool to have the ability to utilize all the glass we have on our cars. I mean, having the rear windows down would look SOOOOO dope. Anyone wanna think of a similar way to do those, so i dont have to get stoned and do it on my own again. Heh.

[muzachead]

i personally would love the back windows....but they are actually glued on the metal from the outside...i have had it off at the body shop.

[WeAkSaUcE]

is this a replacement like you are talking about, or is this just a cover?

http://www.ilovebodykits.com/product/14255/Kaminari__05-08_tC_Carbon_Fiber_Roof.html

i dont think i would do that to ma tc i love ma sunroof!!!! but looks badass!

[THansenite]

That Kaminari roof is a full replacement. It gives you a solid roof with no sunroof functionality. My idea is to replace the front and middle glass with carbon panels so that you can still open the roof when you want.

To the OP, I think the fabrication is going to be much more difficult that you think. There just isn't room for the motor in the sunroof and I don't see where there would be room for the track. Also, you have to deal with actually seperating the rear glass from the sunroof frame and worry about sealing issues. It is going to be a fight to get it to work, but it will look awesome if you do achieve it. Good luck.