Supercharger or Turbo? (Auto)

[SPscionTC]

What would be better to do to a auto TC?
Super-charging it? or Turbo-charging it?

I know it would be kind of useless to put either on the auto... but it just a question that i would want to be answered by the scikotics group....

I read a couple of reviews on scionlife.com, but they never really gave a good answer that was backed-up by logical evidence, and reasoning.

[Greenfire]

Krdshrk recently turboed his automatic tC. Im sure he will chime in soon. Definetly the person to talk to. I would imagine the supercharged auto would not be as impressive as the manual.

[lil_babie_tearz]

I'll have to get my fiance to be on here too. I had the same question and he told me Super Charger because of something something LOL...us girls we don't pay attention to the mumbo jumbo ha ha ha

[Deval]

still is fun to blow away ricers either way though!

I'm not sure, but I read somewhere the tC's engine was designed to be supercharged, and not turbo'ed?

[Krdshrk]

Go turbo... For the money, you'll get much more power. SC'd Auto tCs only make about 175WHP.. I'm at 215WHP right now.

[J3ST3R]

I would go turbo, however the SC usually is a better fit because it does not have the turbo lag that you can overcome somewhat with a manual.......Still I would go turbo!!!!

[Aurora]

As would I

[Deval]

Isnt the turbo setup like $6000 though? vs $4000 for the S/C with warranty?

[THansenite]

The turbo vs. supercharger debate depends on YOU.

Turbos require a lot more maintenance and typically, more can go wrong with them. You need to be careful when adjusting boost so you don't go to high and need to pay much closer attention to how your car is acting. This is usually accomplished with gauges measuring AFR, EGT, boost, oil pressure, etc. The benefit is that you are able to get a lot more power out of a turbo.

Superchargers are much easier. If you get it done at the dealership, it is warrentied and you shouldn't have to worry about anything. Your car's computer gets flashed with a new map and that takes care of the tuning. As long as you don't go switching pullies or messing with the supercharger, your engine is warrentied if anything should happen. However, these generally produce less power than a turbo. It is still a nice boost in power though.

I would recommend going on ScionLife and reading everything you can in the tC F/I forum. I have been researching all of my options for months now and am finally getting confident in my decision once I get the money.

Good luck either way you go.

[Deval]

The turbo vs. supercharger debate depends on YOU.

Turbos require a lot more maintenance and typically, more can go wrong with them. You need to be careful when adjusting boost so you don't go to high and need to pay much closer attention to how your car is acting. This is usually accomplished with gauges measuring AFR, EGT, boost, oil pressure, etc. The benefit is that you are able to get a lot more power out of a turbo.

Superchargers are much easier. If you get it done at the dealership, it is warrentied and you shouldn't have to worry about anything. Your car's computer gets flashed with a new map and that takes care of the tuning. As long as you don't go switching pullies or messing with the supercharger, your engine is warrentied if anything should happen. However, these generally produce less power than a turbo. It is still a nice boost in power though.

I would recommend going on ScionLife and reading everything you can in the tC F/I forum. I have been researching all of my options for months now and am finally getting confident in my decision once I get the money.

Good luck either way you go.

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[J3ST3R]

Isnt the turbo setup like $6000 though? vs $4000 for the S/C with warranty?


NO! Unless you plan on going extreme you dont have to spen 6k for a turbo setup. Hell the ZPI Stage 0 kit is $2670. You will spend at least 3200 on the SC and wont get near the performance, But like Tony said go to SL and take a look there are a ton of information on this subject there....GOOD Luck

[STARK_INDUSTRIES]

Well i just got the word today. The ICEMAN is getting sponsored for the first Chris Rado series Turbo kit to hit the west coast. This kit will also be offered threw a dealership near you. The computer is reflashed by TRD and the factory warnty is still covered.

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[SPscionTC]

Thats a cool turbo kit.... i've never seen it....... When does it come out? Do you know anything about the pricing? All of the people on this Forum Topic have helped alot, thanks to everyone that gave me an opinion!!!!

[THansenite]

If that turbo kit is anything like the supercharger was, I wouldn't hold your breath for that thing to get to the dealerships anytime soon.

[J3ST3R]

^^
amen to that....and are you going to be limited to like 5psi

[STARK_INDUSTRIES]

O ooo Grass Hopper, lots to Lern. This kit runs on 9 psi at 350 hourse Power. Trust, Ive done my home work. The computer is being flash by Toyota so that you dont have to use a piggy back computer system to rum this turbo kit. Good stuff!!!!!!!!

As well the Garret turbo is made for large amounts of boost so if you decide to upgrade your motor and swap out some internals you can run 25 psi and get 550 hourse power. That is the stage 3 they offer.

[J3ST3R]

O ooo Grass Hopper, lots to Lern. This kit runs on 9 psi at 350 hourse Power. Trust, Ive done my home work. The computer is being flash by Toyota so that you dont have to use a piggy back computer system to rum this turbo kit. Good stuff!!!!!!!!

As well the Garret turbo is made for large amounts of boost so if you decide to upgrade your motor and swap out some internals you can run 25 psi and get 550 hourse power. That is the stage 3 they offer.

I talked to Rado at Miami and he said that he was using a Borg Warner turbo, are they affiliated with Garrett?

[STARK_INDUSTRIES]

I talked to Rado at Miami and he said that he was using a Borg Warner turbo, are they affiliated with Garrett?

That im not sure of.

[mospeedtc]

Hey Im new to sciokotics. I drive a turbo'd auto tc and i must say I LOVE IT!!!!! and any way the BOV sound cant be beat

[rhythmnsmoke]

O ooo Grass Hopper, lots to Lern. This kit runs on 9 psi at 350 hourse Power. Trust, Ive done my home work. The computer is being flash by Toyota so that you dont have to use a piggy back computer system to rum this turbo kit. Good stuff!!!!!!!!

As well the Garret turbo is made for large amounts of boost so if you decide to upgrade your motor and swap out some internals you can run 25 psi and get 550 hourse power. That is the stage 3 they offer.



ok....that's rather..OFF TOPIC! As this thread is talking about AUTOMATIC tC's with a turbo kit vs Automatic tC's with a S/C. The turbo kit you are talking about has yet to be depolyed even on a manual tC. And no Automatic tC is going to see 350whp on 9 PSI on ANY turbo kit. Not just for the sake of being sckeptic, but I would like to see that 350whp dyno on only 9 PSI.

Now, back on topic. it's simple really. Here is your break down:

S/C Auto tC.

Price $3,300 - $3,500
Performance 170-175whp
Warranty Maintained.....IF you don't touch anything and leave it stock
Maintenance Free....That is until it starts leaking on you.

T/C Auto tC

Price $2,500 - $3, 000
Performance 200-220whp (you will want a tranny cooler for any more power that that)
Warranty Maintained......but voided if the turbo actually caused the damange
Maintenance.....You might get a small crack in the manifold if you race constantly. Take 5 mins to take it off and get it welded, and put it back on. Other than that, change your oil more frequently.

[Aurora]

Hey ICEMAN, I'm extremely jealous! I can't wait to see that thing in action once you get it installed. Perhaps the AURORA might have a date with the Chris Rado kit in the near future...although it will have to be for an auto.

[Jonnyb504]

Rythm do you think the ZPI tranny upgrade from ZPI is worth it and how much whp do you think could be obtained with the tranny upgrade from ZPI on an auto? I tried emailing them but haven't got a response yet.

[rhythmnsmoke]

Rythm do you think the ZPI tranny upgrade from ZPI is worth it and how much whp do you think could be obtained with the tranny upgrade from ZPI on an auto? I tried emailing them but haven't got a response yet.


Honestly, I can't vouch for it, as I don't have an Auto tranny. I only know of one car that had the tranny upgrade done, and that was Shane Allens car. He was automatic, built engine, built tranny, ZPI Staged 1 on about 12 PSI. Car sounded mean. But I have not experience with the Auto tranny tC's so your guess is as good as mine. Not to many auto tranny tC's pushing the envelope enough to warrant the purchase of this upgrade. You can get away with a simple tranny cooler, and be good up to about 230whp.

One thing I truly know though, if you want to get a hold of anyone at ZPI, the best media form to do that in is a simple IM through AIM. They seem to like that form of communication the best...lol.

[Krdshrk]

With a simple tranny cooler, you should be good to 250-275 WHP. I know someone who's hitting 260WHP Auto, without the tranny cooler and it's working fine. I'm at 215WHP (It'll go up soon) with a tranny cooler and no problems at all.

[rhythmnsmoke]

With a simple tranny cooler, you should be good to 250-275 WHP. I know someone who's hitting 260WHP Auto, without the tranny cooler and it's working fine. I'm at 215WHP (It'll go up soon) with a tranny cooler and no problems at all.


who's hitting 260whp with an auto? you said wheel horse power right?

[tCfrk86]

If I keep my tC, i am doing the turbo cause i have an auto too, and i have seen a 265whp auto turbo w/o a tranny cooler, it was in OKC, but he is still working on it, but he doesnt need one and he is going to help me get to 230 at least, with mine. Hope you can decide, but turbo is the best cause you have none or almost no turbo lag. :up:

[SPscionTC]

I was reading up on some forums in SL, and everyone seems to think that turbo for an auto is the best thing.... I'm almost sure that i'm going to go turbo... BUT!!!! I am having a hard time deciding which turbo set up i want to go with I think ZPI has the best power for an auto, and i heard that DEZOD, and Turbonetics have decent set-ups also. Do any of you have any experiences or opinions/anything to say about which turbo would be the best to go with???? (thank you to all that have posted!)

[J3ST3R]

Wish we could help you on the auto setup rythmn and I have manuals and ZPI setups and I can tell you this there kits are BAD A$$ glad I chose them. I also can not comment on the other kits....I dont have any first hand knowledge with any of them.....just what has been posted on the boards....I will say this ZPI does have videos on there sites of just about everyone of there setups so might be worth taking a look at.

[318tC]

Turbo!!!!!!!!

[rhythmnsmoke]

I was reading up on some forums in SL, and everyone seems to think that turbo for an auto is the best thing.... I'm almost sure that i'm going to go turbo... BUT!!!! I am having a hard time deciding which turbo set up i want to go with I think ZPI has the best power for an auto, and i heard that DEZOD, and Turbonetics have decent set-ups also. Do any of you have any experiences or opinions/anything to say about which turbo would be the best to go with???? (thank you to all that have posted!)


Wish we could help you on the auto setup rythmn and I have manuals and ZPI setups and I can tell you this there kits are BAD A$$ glad I chose them. I also can not comment on the other kits....I dont have any first hand knowledge with any of them.....just what has been posted on the boards....I will say this ZPI does have videos on there sites of just about everyone of there setups so might be worth taking a look at.


You also have to keep in mind that, because you are an Auto, you practically will experience NO turbo lag, which is a good thing. And just do your research on what each kit offers. I love our ZPI kit. It has not failed me in a race Period. We have had if for over a year, and this is our second Winter with the kit on. Don't just look at kit specs when doing your research. I'm assuming this is your daily driver, so you want to find the history behind the kits, to determine their reliability. I will tell you now, there are a couple out there are scetchy, and are a Hit/Miss type of situation. The ZPI kits I can comment on and tell you with great confidence that their reliability is top notch.

Boost will put a :mrg: on your face.

[Krdshrk]

who's hitting 260whp with an auto? you said wheel horse power right?

Gizmo on SL is hitting that... She's local to me here.. 260WHP with meth injection.

[Krdshrk]

You also have to keep in mind that, because you are an Auto, you practically will experience NO turbo lag, which is a good thing. And just do your research on what each kit offers.

Boost will put a :mrg: on your face.

It sure does to me!

And yes - i have nearly no turbo lag... it's awesome. Especially cuz I use a slightly smaller turbo (GReddy's TD05 18G).

Greddy kit is good for autos - it'll fit (just gotta move the transmission dipstick a little). It's also one of the cheapest. Make sure you get the Fuel Management option though.

[SPscionTC]

Thank you for the feedback/opinions!!!! I have read alot of the post on SL and on here!
I have aslo tried to read up on most of the turbo kits (both auto and manual) and i have almost come to a conclusion.... Greddy or ZPI!!!! I like the power of ZPI, but the price of Greddy! I have no problem spending the extra cash for the Fuel Management, But ZPI's kit costs almost $6000, thats about $2000 more than the Greddy... But 300WHP is VERY NICE! But again i know how it goes "You Gotta PAY, to PLAY!".... Thanks to all that have helped out, i think im very close to a decision, and as soon as i make it i'll let everyone know! thanks again!

[rhythmnsmoke]

Thank you for the feedback/opinions!!!! I have read alot of the post on SL and on here!
I have aslo tried to read up on most of the turbo kits (both auto and manual) and i have almost come to a conclusion.... Greddy or ZPI!!!! I like the power of ZPI, but the price of Greddy! I have no problem spending the extra cash for the Fuel Management, But ZPI's kit costs almost $6000, thats about $2000 more than the Greddy... But 300WHP is VERY NICE! But again i know how it goes "You Gotta PAY, to PLAY!".... Thanks to all that have helped out, i think im very close to a decision, and as soon as i make it i'll let everyone know! thanks again!



Well, there is the Stage 0 option ($2670.00), to which you can convert to a 300whp Stage 1 as the funds become available to you. Stage 0 will put you out around 230ish to the wheels. If you go GReedy, be sure that you (if you are doing the install), or your shop to double check the Wastegate that comes with it.

[rhythmnsmoke]

Gizmo on SL is hitting that... She's local to me here.. 260WHP with meth injection.


Oh, cool. Did she dyno without the meth injection to see what gains were had from the meth?

[SPscionTC]

Another question... Would the ZPI stage 1 run ok on a stock engine? For example: This car is my daily driver, and i wouldn't want it to give out in a year. Would the ZPI kit be ok to run for my car? rhythm if you dont mind me asking what are you running and do you use your TC as a daily driver? I've seen all your vids (NIce JOb by the way) but do you use that for any other purposes? I've also seen ZPI's CSM TC that is driven daily (so they say) do any of you know if this is true and know what else i would have to do not to blow my engine by next year????

[Krdshrk]

Oh, cool. Did she dyno without the meth injection to see what gains were had from the meth?

245WHP @ 8.5 PSI before meth.

[J3ST3R]

Another question... Would the ZPI stage 1 run ok on a stock engine? For example: This car is my daily driver, and i wouldn't want it to give out in a year. Would the ZPI kit be ok to run for my car? rhythm if you dont mind me asking what are you running and do you use your TC as a daily driver? I've seen all your vids (NIce JOb by the way) but do you use that for any other purposes? I've also seen ZPI's CSM TC that is driven daily (so they say) do any of you know if this is true and know what else i would have to do not to blow my engine by next year????

Oh man what a question to ask rhythm...his car is the stage 1 pushing around 9-10 psi and its driven daily.....let me clarify though....his car is beaten daily....if there is any testament to how well a kit has stood up, its the ZPI one....rhythm's car is raced almost every weekend...and driven daily and they only thing they have EVER had to do to it was put a new clutch in it. Stock motor, and the compression test still come back flawless!

[rhythmnsmoke]

245WHP @ 8.5 PSI before meth.


That's decent gains then. Just wondering how much I should see, as I'm going to do the meth kit on the tC, and probably have it set to start spraying from 8 PSI to 12 PSI.

[rhythmnsmoke]

Another question... Would the ZPI stage 1 run ok on a stock engine? For example: This car is my daily driver, and i wouldn't want it to give out in a year. Would the ZPI kit be ok to run for my car? rhythm if you dont mind me asking what are you running and do you use your TC as a daily driver? I've seen all your vids (NIce JOb by the way) but do you use that for any other purposes? I've also seen ZPI's CSM TC that is driven daily (so they say) do any of you know if this is true and know what else i would have to do not to blow my engine by next year????


Oh man what a question to ask rhythm...his car is the stage 1 pushing around 9-10 psi and its driven daily.....let me clarify though....his car is beaten daily....if there is any testament to how well a kit has stood up, its the ZPI one....rhythm's car is raced almost every weekend...and driven daily and they only thing they have EVER had to do to it was put a new clutch in it. Stock motor, and the compression test still come back flawless!


What he said...lol. And to add to that, the car is driven too and fro from my fiances work. She works about 20mins from the house, so 40 mins round trip each day. She also goes to college, so she drives the car about 15min to school each day (she is out for this semester though, cause she is preparing to give birth to our new son).


And the silver ZPI tC was driven daily, but not at the moment. It was all set and ready to go with a New fully built motor, until J3ST3R here bought the motor from Kenny...lol. Now that motor is going into his car with a ZPI Stage 1 to bat, set to some ungodly PSI level.

[SPscionTC]

Thanks for all the info.!!!! I really think that ZPI will end up being my pick, now to save up alittle more money before i purchase... Oh and i know the baby isnt here yet but early congrats on the new baby rhythm!!!! J3ST3R have you installed that new built motor yet? thanks for the help once again! I think ZPI will have a new customer to deal with in the next month or two!!!

[J3ST3R]

Thanks for all the info.!!!! I really think that ZPI will end up being my pick, now to save up alittle more money before i purchase... Oh and i know the baby isnt here yet but early congrats on the new baby rhythm!!!! J3ST3R have you installed that new built motor yet? thanks for the help once again! I think ZPI will have a new customer to deal with in the next month or two!!!
Yep motor and everything are installed....the only thing that we are waiting for now are the seats to come back from the uphoulstry guys!

[318tC]

i hit 260whp on 8 psi with lower compression pistons with no meth injec. with the dezod kit. You will run into tranny problems, its just over time it gradually gets worse. My tranny failed on interstate the other night. Im done with the auto, im going 5spd.

[rhythmnsmoke]

i hit 260whp on 8 psi with lower compression pistons with no meth injec. with the dezod kit. You will run into tranny problems, its just over time it gradually gets worse. My tranny failed on interstate the other night. Im done with the auto, im going 5spd.


Since when have you been on Scikotics...:smile:

[J3ST3R]

Since when have you been on Scikotics...:smile:

Since 8 posts ago!!! :rofl:

[318tC]

Since when have you been on Scikotics...:smile:

i just troll

[rhythmnsmoke]

i just troll

LOL...:coolp: