Want to know everyons opinion

[SpazzySpaz]

Ok since i blew my cheap crappy subs I am on the hunt for new ones..I want to know everyones opinion on these 10's and if they are worth the cheap price..I will be running them on a 2 channel 2400W Rockford Fosgate amp

http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=13309

Thanks everyone!!!

[Phlame217]

Go here http://www.edesignaudio.com/ and take a look at their subs. Cheap, high quality and very durable.

then go here to get a huge discount: http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=90

[Nebster]

Go here http://www.edesignaudio.com/ and take a look at their subs. Cheap, high quality and very durable.

then go here to get a huge discount: http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=90


^^ what he said. but they're not cheap they're inexpensive. there is a HUGE difference.

[Big-Kokujin]

Go here http://www.edesignaudio.com/ and take a look at their subs. Cheap, high quality and very durable.

then go here to get a huge discount: http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=90


Oh shit...i didn't know we get discounts....now that 19 ov.2 is even more in reach...Sweet...

[J3ST3R]

^^ what he said. but they're not cheap they're inexpensive. there is a HUGE difference.

And you cant beat the customer service!!!!

[Big-Kokujin]

It might seem kinda gay to keep saying this, but I am really excited about the discounts...Now instead of just the 1 18, i'm gonna have a math lesson as my setup...3 6s and 1 18

6+6+6=18

[zereaux]

crap, the more money i see saving, the more i end up spending... time to start planning a redesign...

[trebor]

Try these:

http://www.artofnoiseaudio.com/dayton10ho.php

[dvs12]

ive always gone with kicker products,good quality for the price i have a 10'' crv in my xb with a zr120 bridged to it, sounds great , i think they run about 75 to 100 bucks a 10 ...

[slimsdizz]

my opinion with that kinda amp power you should go with world record winning subs there not cheap but check the video clips here http://www.reaudio.com/ other then that I would say try to seek out some of the older orion HCCA liquid injected 15 inch woofers in a ported enclosure and a large box they will knock your socks off. if you look at subs and amps today alot of advancement has been made subs today high quality ones have huge magnets and take tons and tons of power this is partley to do with the fact that alot of enclosures are getting smaller to get the same results. I will give you an example I can put one kicker solobaric in a small ported box say 12 inch sub and it will hit like two twelves. but you take that one sub and you make the box the size of your trunk i mean a big box and that one twelve will hit like two high powered 15's as long as it is ported. you may want to research subwoofers on wikipedia or other online enclopedias for a sub to produce huge boom it needs a big box in most cases the bigger the box the less power you have to feed the sub to get the same result but if the box is to big you get negative effects as well. the growing trend is more power larger magnet subs in smaller enclosures when in fact you can achieve the same results with a smaller sub in a larger enclosure that doesn't take as much power. it's just pure physics. you might want to do some reading into this thats why someof the older subs are still hard to beat they took half the power but people were building larger enclosures back then and that compensates for the lower power levels. even some older 15inch orion XTR 15's in a large box ported will keep up with if not outperform alot of subs today that consume alot more power. it's a trade off in order to get smaller enclosures and still get the same hard hitting bass they had to increase the power handling of the subs and make bigger amps that push more power. i would either go with the subs I gave you a link too they hold a number of world recors and you can do a smaller box or see if you can find some of the older orions or go with a kicker solobaric in a big ported box. I hope that makes some kinda sense because I spent hours reading awhile back on various sites to come to the understanding about woofers. i would do some research on the physics of subwoofers and you will find out why certin people win show after show after show. you could put any high quality big magnet sub in a large box and feed it all the power you have and it will suprise you. when it feels like there is a baseball batt hitting the back of your seat and it feels like the air is being sucked out of your lungs you know you did it right with whatever brand you go with. making big bass is an artform you have to find the right balance with whatever sub you go with between box size and sub and nowadays manufacturers list specs for smaller boxes as being optimal thats why alot of guys who realize that to make huge bass you need a big box win time and time again. I am not saying oyu cannot et good bass out of a smaler enclosure but there is a reason certain people set world records and I just scratched the tip of the iceburg do alot of research.

[tCfrk86]

my opinion with that kinda amp power you should go with world record winning subs there not cheap but check the video clips here http://www.reaudio.com/ other then that I would say try to seek out some of the older orion HCCA liquid injected 15 inch woofers in a ported enclosure and a large box they will knock your socks off. if you look at subs and amps today alot of advancement has been made subs today high quality ones have huge magnets and take tons and tons of power this is partley to do with the fact that alot of enclosures are getting smaller to get the same results. I will give you an example I can put one kicker solobaric in a small ported box say 12 inch sub and it will hit like two twelves. but you take that one sub and you make the box the size of your trunk i mean a big box and that one twelve will hit like two high powered 15's as long as it is ported. you may want to research subwoofers on wikipedia or other online enclopedias for a sub to produce huge boom it needs a big box in most cases the bigger the box the less power you have to feed the sub to get the same result but if the box is to big you get negative effects as well. the growing trend is more power larger magnet subs in smaller enclosures when in fact you can achieve the same results with a smaller sub in a larger enclosure that doesn't take as much power. it's just pure physics. you might want to do some reading into this thats why someof the older subs are still hard to beat they took half the power but people were building larger enclosures back then and that compensates for the lower power levels. even some older 15inch orion XTR 15's in a large box ported will keep up with if not outperform alot of subs today that consume alot more power. it's a trade off in order to get smaller enclosures and still get the same hard hitting bass they had to increase the power handling of the subs and make bigger amps that push more power. i would either go with the subs I gave you a link too they hold a number of world recors and you can do a smaller box or see if you can find some of the older orions or go with a kicker solobaric in a big ported box. I hope that makes some kinda sense because I spent hours reading awhile back on various sites to come to the understanding about woofers. i would do some research on the physics of subwoofers and you will find out why certin people win show after show after show. you could put any high quality big magnet sub in a large box and feed it all the power you have and it will suprise you. when it feels like there is a baseball batt hitting the back of your seat and it feels like the air is being sucked out of your lungs you know you did it right with whatever brand you go with. making big bass is an artform you have to find the right balance with whatever sub you go with between box size and sub and nowadays manufacturers list specs for smaller boxes as being optimal thats why alot of guys who realize that to make huge bass you need a big box win time and time again. I am not saying oyu cannot et good bass out of a smaler enclosure but there is a reason certain people set world records and I just scratched the tip of the iceburg do alot of research.

DAMN!!!:clap::clap:

[THansenite]

Elemental Designs FTW!!!!

[slimsdizz]

you want the best subs ever made for spl period if you can find them and ebay is about your only chance people don't normally sell them I'm taking it back to the year 1999 Orion HCCA DVC subwoofers the 12's would hit 98DB a piece in the right enclosure at a peak wattage of 500 watts 400 a piece RMS these were hands down the hardest hitting subs produced. you go buy the most expensive high excursion MTX Orion RE audio or whoever you want to choose now and they will not hit 98 db a piece even some rockford 15 inch subs will not hit 98DB a piece and the point I am making is the new subs take tons of power. Go to Us amps website click on links then go to video forums after going to their subwoofer page and clicking links there you can review all of the top audio on the planet every single freakin brand you will not find a harder hitting sub then orion for the money. MTX makes good stuff they do but it is way overpriced to get anything worth a darn. with the wattage you have getting two older 1999 HCCA orions would be best but since the likleyhood of you finding them is nill since i would have already bought them if I could find them you have 2,400 watts get one twelve inch orion HCCA 12 in the right ported box you will hit 148DB in spl I have seen it. audio has gone comercialized crazy big magnets small boxes tons of power so much you have to upgrade the alternator add dry cells. The orion HCCA amps are getting better now. but who needs all the power you don't you can either go old school save money and get alot of bang for your wattage or you can go new school spend 600 bucks for 1 orion HCCA 12 in the proper box new on ebay and you will get the exact same results at SPL competions. i have been to alot of comps and the old school guys are still hanging with the new school guys and sometimes beating their pants off using half the power. it's up to you but after you spend five hours whatching all the videos at the site I recomend your going to be hard pressed not to buy orion. Subs best bang for your buck orion whether it be old school or new school orion and they just released the new HCCA line yesterday which is even more impressive by 1DB which means you can get the perevious HCCA series at killer deals right now in boxes. I just ordered a last series HCCA 12 in a box for my XA today total cost with shipping on ebay was 538.50 I have a new HCCA D1200 amp to push it with a 2ohms and i guarantee it will be smoking this year in spl in such a small car. go watch the video's you will se the front glass about to come out of cars and trucks on orion cars. your gonna see twice as many subs or tons more money invested to get the same results with another brand if your goal is pure sound quality go with another brand but if you want to impress people make womens hair fly make your front glass look like it's about to come out and kill in the spl arena orion is your choice my friend. go watch the videos even audiobahns new Xsite line the subs blow up at 30 HZ whatch the vid MTX is gonna cost you thousands to get anywhere close to new orion or old orion. even orions bottom of the line tens hit hard in a ported box thats what I am running now and I am overpowering them enough that you can smell the coils after bass mechanic but they don't ever blow even with four tims the RMS wattage put to them they hit hard no joke. My Xa is gonna be scary and i am probabley gonna lose my hearing once I get my new sub and box in. The videos tell the tale on all brands and all sizes they are all there go compare and see if you don't agree and the funny thing is the videos are on a competitors website lol. The orion HCCA amps are still getting some kinks worked out of them but soon they will be a force to be reckoned with again as well. here is your link click on any brand you like and compare the videos check out the orions http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos.html I will say I am descentley impressed by elemental desigh subwoofers after watching the vids they are the only sub I see getting close to the orions they don't make as much spl but they have a good price but being a die hard orion fan until I saw them at an spl competition I couldn't really make my mind up about them. I will concede they look interesting and promising compared to alot of other brands so i would say either orion or elemental desighn.

[slimsdizz]

I just spoke with alex over at elemental desighn and they clearley state they don't make subs desighned for spl but I was very impressed with his attitude attentivness and the desighn of their woofers I already ordered my orion sub for my XA but we are working on a car for SEMA next year and I think we will place an order for some of their subs. they agree with me on large boxes decreasing the amount of power you have to put to a woofer and i just got a really good impression from those guys. so i would say if your going SPl and want cometiton stuff go with the more expensive orion which is still better priced then mtx if you are on a budget and want a good daily driver with good bass I think I would seriousley consider elemental desighn. i am impressed by their video's on th site I linked I am even more impressed by the guys at elemental desighn. To me that holds alot of weight. So I will concede that elemental desighn has definentley sparked my intrest their people seem very knowledgable their prices are good and unless your building something for SPL I would go with elemental desighn. I am going to have them do a box for our shop for our next years SEMA car and I'll let you guys know what I think but I think after talking with them they are more worthy of my attention and yours. Orion makes great stuff for SPL competitions and is certainley priced better then MTX but elemental desighn seems to have better staff then orion/directed electronics and they just seem to be a great bunch of guys and I will buy woofers from them because of that. so thank you for bringing this new company to my attention and for SPL comps I will stay with orion but for our show cars and daily drivers I think we will give elemental desighn a try they are knowledgable and seem to know their stuff so they just earned my respect just on the fact that they are good guys and the videos I watched. i think on your budget elemental desighn is your choice here my friend unless you want to do SPL competitions it's your choice of course but I am very impressed by them after 30 minutes on the phone and an hour of videos.

[_Keith_]

^^ great post

[_Keith_]

I just spoke with alex over at elemental desighn and they clearley state they don't make subs desighned for spl but I was very impressed with his attitude attentivness and the desighn of their woofers I already ordered my orion sub for my XA but we are working on a car for SEMA next year and I think we will place an order for some of their subs. they agree with me on large boxes decreasing the amount of power you have to put to a woofer and i just got a really good impression from those guys. so i would say if your going SPl and want cometiton stuff go with the more expensive orion which is still better priced then mtx if you are on a budget and want a good daily driver with good bass I think I would seriousley consider elemental desighn. i am impressed by their video's on th site I linked I am even more impressed by the guys at elemental desighn. To me that holds alot of weight. So I will concede that elemental desighn has definentley sparked my intrest their people seem very knowledgable their prices are good and unless your building something for SPL I would go with elemental desighn. I am going to have them do a box for our shop for our next years SEMA car and I'll let you guys know what I think but I think after talking with them they are more worthy of my attention and yours. Orion makes great stuff for SPL competitions and is certainley priced better then MTX but elemental desighn seems to have better staff then orion/directed electronics and they just seem to be a great bunch of guys and I will buy woofers from them because of that. so thank you for bringing this new company to my attention and for SPL comps I will stay with orion but for our show cars and daily drivers I think we will give elemental desighn a try they are knowledgable and seem to know their stuff so they just earned my respect just on the fact that they are good guys and the videos I watched. i think on your budget elemental desighn is your choice here my friend unless you want to do SPL competitions it's your choice of course but I am very impressed by them after 30 minutes on the phone and an hour of videos.


Well said.... thats what made my choice... talking to Chris for along time. They do have a new sub coming out

http://www.icixsound.com/vb/icixnation/images/38_947.jpg

Its the one on the right.... 13" rumor is capable of up to 2500 watts :md:

[slimsdizz]

he talked to me specifically about a new 15 inch subwoofer that would handle 2000 watts that will be released in the near future. I think they are going to have some high SPL capable woofers in the future and what I like about them is this. Not only are they knowlegeable they aren't corporate run and they care about their customers. Now i am not saying that all corporate owned subwoofer manufacturers are bad. but I just came off being fully sponsored by orion. getting any type of support right now is impossible they want you to take it in to a directed dealer. wiring diagrams forget it. In fact on the first amp tey sent us they gave us the wrong wiring which of course blew the amp. The manual might as well be written in tiawane where the HCCA stuff is made. I like orion but as far as being helpful forget about it. As far as following through on promises made on sponsorship forget about it. don't get me wrong I got a few nice amps but I had to go through a few that had manufacturing defects to get those nice amps. The subwoofers are a diffrent story they hit hard especially the HCCA line but they consume massive amounts of power. I think the guys at elemental are staying more to the old school aproach which I like alot. why buy a huge amp and upgrade the alternator and add batteries and ect ect if you don't need too by buying a woofer that performs well with lower wattage. I like that about them and I will give them a shot for sure. Their prices seem more than reasonable and I think they will stand behind their product. so Like I said i will use orion for spl and give elemental a shot in our car for SEMA this coming year and if they come out with some SPL capable woofers and they are priced right then i will also give them a shot at that time. The guy who made the post is feeding to much wattage to a pair of tens he said 2400 watts now I doubt thats RMS but I didn't spec out his amp either thats the only reason I recomended one HCCA ten or twelve but with elemental desighn he could do some nice 15's and really get the most bang out of his setup. but there again you have to figure in new box cost space ect. So I thought the HCCA may be the way to go but i would certainley choose elemental desighn over those MTX subs that were originally posted as a replacement. And believe me I would definentley switch over my sonsorship to them in a heartbeat and start carrying them as our primary audio line at our performance shop we are building a new audio bay which should be ready in about six months and we have a new installer with 32 years experience so we will be looking to carry a quality line of audio for our customers in the near future and I talked with the boss today and we are going to give them a shot and if everything works out we will start to carry their subs in the shop but we have to get the bay completed first and then we will go from there but six months should give me enough time to install and evaluate their subwoofers. just from the impression I got on the phone they seem like the guys we want to deal with for sure in the future there are aready to many directed audio carriers in our area as well as MTX so they are definetley in my sights to check out and If I can impress my boss with them then we will carry them. the volume and type of cars we do not just scions we could keep them pretty busy making subs there is a year round 3-4 month waight just to get into the shop ultimtley it's gonna be the owners decision but If I like them I know he will.