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vettereddie
08-05-2008, 09:30 AM
I'm starting a project to go BIG for next season. Currently, I have a Greddy supercharger and a spare 1NZFE, and just ordered 10:1 Wiseco pistons. I'll also be putting in Crower rods, Toga bearings, port and polish the head, and knife edge the throttle body.

The supercharger puts out about 7psi currently. I also have a Weapon-R short intake, Strup headers, and a 2 1/4" free flowing cat back exhaust w/ a Flowmaster Hushpower II muffler. I'm trying to get more power into the built engine and am just figuring out which route to go.

Option #1: eBay the supercharger and get a turbo: I'd be selling for $1500 and going with either the Greddy turbo w/ intercooler, or the 365 kit if it comes out.

Option #2: Keep the supercharger, get a custom pulley for the alternator (it is a two pulley design on the alternator, I'd keep the main belt pulley stock radius and the one driving the charger bigger. If I made the actual supercharger pulley smaller, the belt would most likely slip). I'd also add methanol injection to account for the excess heat generated by the higher compression. This option assumes the blower is currently running under it's 14k RPM max spool.

Option #3: This is the fun one. Serial twincharge configuration. The supercharger keeps the throttle body inthe stock location. Add a turbocharger w/ an intercooler to the front. The blower is positive displacement, so it shouldn't need to work any harder to compress from 5 to 12 psi than it would from 0 to 7 psi given the turbo is feeding it pre-compressed air. If I can get a complete turbo minus engine management (supercharger already has it) for under $1500 I'll do this. The cheapest I've found the Greddy turbo (w/o intercooler) for is $2200.

Option #4: Keep it stock with just I/H/E. Around 21k miles, I had a rod failure and currently am running n/a on a stock block. I still do not know the cause of failure. It happened on a dry day cruising at 60 mph. Dealer analysis said it was hydrolock from the CAI, and that water had gotten in a few days earlier and sat in the pipe below the TRD filter, just happening to get sucked in after 20 minutes. Remotely possible, but not real probable. it did look like water ingestion though, so I may have had a bad head gasket. I'll be measuring the head bolts as well for elongation. I did not see a water path on the head or cylinder top, but their is a residue on the wall of #3 and the valves for #1 and 3 are much cleaner than the others, the dealer saying they were in affect steam cleaned. There wasn't enough oil or coolant left to test.

Option #5: Boost and juice. OEM Greddy supercharger + wet nitrous kit for mainly track use. This would be the cheapest and easiest way to get my track time down, I'm just not sure what a built 1NZ-FE can handle, 55 HP shot hopefully. On top of the blower, that would be 169 WHP.

Pretty pictures:

Old configuration
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7947/picture013yr7.jpg

Current configuration
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4145/newenginepics013qo5.jpg

Stu_Gotti
08-12-2008, 06:59 AM
Haha, all except going stock sounds great! Turbo would be the shit, twin-charge is sweet, but maybe not even worth the hassle...

I won't vote, but I'll see what everyone thinks! Going to be sweet! :smile:

dtc
08-12-2008, 11:24 AM
im kinda in the same boat with my tC. i blew the motor with he supercharger on there with nitrous so im try to decide to build the motor with the supercharger or just get a turbo. selling the supercharger then buying all the turbo parts are going to be a b!tch.
i saw you were going to be using 10:1 pristons? why wouldnt you put lower compression pistons in there? for boost, ive read, 8-9:1 pistons work the best.
i voted for just building the sh!t out of the supercharger and show up everyone who dogs on the supercharger. im sure they have cams for the xb and you can probly get a 12-15 psi pully made for that thing
good luck with the project!

vettereddie
08-12-2008, 08:30 PM
I went 10:1 mainly for the price, they were under half of what it would be direct from Wiseco for custom. Also, I got them for driveability. Lowering the compression also drops HP when not in boost, and going too low makes it run rough at idle. Since it's a daily driver, 9.5:1 would be as low as I'd want to go, 10.5:1 was stock compression. 8-9 is really more for carbaurated engines, most of the literature out there is for non-fuel injected pushrod V-8's, not too much out on imports and they run VERY different. Also, aluminum heads shed heat quicker and helps stave off detonation. The methanol injection should help out immensely as well since it acts as both a chemical intercooler and an octane booster.

I found out custom pulleys will only run me about $125 from aspracing.

dtc
08-13-2008, 01:50 AM
oh well i gues the tC's engine is a little different cuz our stock compression is 8:1 that why trd made the s/c for it cuz it could handel boost with such a low compression

vettereddie
08-13-2008, 09:25 AM
Well, I'm about to just go f' it with custom and run all Greddy stock components. Someone on Scion Evolution posted up they're selling their Greddy turbo pretty cheap, so now it's looking like more of a reality to run a twincharge setup. I'd need to get an intercooler still but at least the down pipe would be pre-welded (the stock Greddy flange is backwards).

I'll see if I can get an answer out of PTuning if they'd want to tune such a frankenstein setup. Who knows, maybe I can even get them to sponsor for free tuning or an intercooler! Might be a bit harder since I'm not SE but it would be good marketing for them I think. Maybe finally get me in a magazine too.

Stu_Gotti
08-13-2008, 09:29 AM
SE shouldn't matter, it's a Scion owner looking for a sponsorship, club affiliation shouldn't have anything to do with it... and on that note, maybe they'd start working with our club as a result.

:smile:

Twin-charge would be sweet! :trophy:

vettereddie
08-13-2008, 09:43 AM
Well, was just saying SE already has a working business relationship with PTuning so it may be easier for their members to "get their foot in the door" so to speak when presenting sponsorship requests. Shouldn't matter for final evaluation though. I'm hoping they at least know my car by now, I know Bad Boys remembers it once they painted it.

Stu_Gotti
08-13-2008, 09:48 AM
I hear ya! Well a good portion of those SE members that went there for tuning and such, they've moved on, either new whip or club... I know a good portion of the race inspired owners left SE for NOICS...

vettereddie
08-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Yeah, I know blown_xA did that, wasn't sure who else. I'm hoping I can trade a few parts from the box to get him to knock down the price. I won't have any use for the header or antake with the turbo.

Stu_Gotti
08-13-2008, 01:30 PM
Yeah true...

I know Rich Sasso left, sold his tC... but I don't see why they wouldn't help you out with that build... awesome idea for sure!

:v:

vettereddie
08-17-2008, 07:33 AM
Well, I decided to twincharge. See my new post.