1st gen xb problems ?

[tets]

hi everybody, i'm from montreal, and i am about to buy an 06 xb...but i am wondering what's the major problems of that nice car! is there something i really need to change or something that break easily ? any comments would be appreciate...

is there any scikotics chapter nearer of quebec than new-york ?


thanks everyone!

[SHABBY3]

The only problem I have had with mine was a water pump at about 65K. The Mass Airflow Sensor is very sensitive with cold air intakes.

[Tonkatoy02]

Word, x2 on that water pump especially if the car has been sitting. I bought mine with 61,000 and the pump was shot a week later. Not a biggie though, cost me like 50 bucks with antifreeze and hose clamps and the pump from toyota. It pays to be a Mechanic sometimes. :)

[crackinabox]

not to thread jack, but is it pretty easy to change? I'm more of a shadetree mechanic myself, but my cousin is a mechanic at a local dealership.

[KatieMayhem]

I don't want to jinx myself by saying this, but neither of my xB's had major problems...

I've heard water pumps and AC compressors can fail...
But I've yet to come into that problem...
1st xB had 56K on her, all of which I drove... Current one has 82K, I've put 12K on it. And the only thing I have to change soon is the battery...

[diknaBox]

Same thing here. I don't want to jinx myself but I haven't had any big issues with my xB.

Only thing I had was the rear handle for the back broke off when my sister tried seeing how hard she could slam the back shut!

Other than that no problems and i just turned over 100,000 miles last month!

[orangekrush]

160k and still running original water pump and compressor. mine is an 04 Rs1

[Timindabox]

Bought mine new in 05, now its got 127k on it with no problems. Just take care of it.

[DriverLost]

Yeah this news of water pumps & compressors is all new to me. :ponder:

Have 3 first gen xB's and so far the only problem has been the VVT-i in 2 of them. My third B misses it so you need to check the VIN. See attachment.

Other than the upgraded air conditioning condenser to fix the a/c not blowing cold enough the only other one was if it has a dealer installed Wabbaso < (spelling?) sunroof the windshield can crack from too much flex so there's a TSB on that to add some reinforcement braces.

Best bet is a car fax and pay the fees to have a Toyota dealer pull the code history. Unlike AutoZone who can only retrieve current codes with a CEL, the dealer can get a code history. So for example lets say it showed a code P0420 ( no not the burn one where you are code lol ) CAT insufficient bla bla bla code was found in the code history. Not only would that come up but how many times it was reset. So a code like that would make me think maybe this B was boosted at one time and was put back to stock. I would then question how strong the motor & drive train is.

Hope that helps. :BlahBlah02:

[tets]

thanks everyone ! so the only prob is the water pump, and the air conditionner ? these are some small problem...i'll see the xB tomorrow, and i'll get it check by a tech, and i will tell him those problems ! thanks !

[FUGI2X]

160k & i'm still going! knock on wood!!

[Blown_MatchBbox]

I have an 04' with 170k now, with mostly highway miles. Some things that are very cheaply made and bound to go out on you like it did for me early are:

1. rear wheel bearing hubs. I had to replace both of mine at 85k! You can get the timkin replacements on amazon for under $100 each for the rears and $30 for the fronts. Much cheaper and lasts longer than the factory junk that cost nearly $400 each for the rears.

2. The factory water pump is a piece of junk. Mine went out at 92k miles, but luckly is cheap to replace. Again, under $100 for a new factory water pump.

3. The factory catalytic converter is also crap. Mine went bad at about 70k miles. I replaced it with a Walker direct fit replacement. It cost about $180 as opposed to $900 for the factory junk.

4. Alternator. My alternator quit on mine at about 160k. Replaced it with an aftermarket 220 moving amps and 160 idle amps from Iraggi.

5. Compressor. This went out at about 60k miles. Expensive to replace, but easy to install.

6. Cabin a/c motor. This is a relatively cheap part to replace, about $140. Mine went out just recently at about 170k.

The three things you need to watch out for though is the rear wheel bearings, water pump, and catalytuc converter. A friend of mine who is a master mechanic at Longo toyota in California says those are the top three most common failures he has see regarding the first gen xbs.

[1st gen feva]

Alternator and water pump both bit the dust on me around 70k but thats the only real problems ive had. Ive heard alot of people complain about windshield issues but im pushin 90k now and im still on the original. But luckily nothin to expensive for these things LOL!

[icebox06]

ive had no problems at all

[DriverLost]

Wow! :shock: I've had 4 first gen xB's have 3 now and just the VVTi in 2 went out and nothing else. 125,000 on one, 89,000 & 25,000 on the other 2.

This water pump, cat, compressor, blower, alternator stories are all new to me and I've had B's since 2004 :ponder:

[MyBlackyXb]

SAY MAN Where is our 100,000 mile club at? im about to hit that mark, no major problems at all just 2 windshields, tires, tires, tires, tires lol

[DriverLost]

SAY MAN Where is our 100,000 mile club at? im about to hit that mark, no major problems at all just 2 windshields, tires, tires, tires, tires lol
:rofl: and oil oil oil oil oil lol

I'll start a sticky! http://www.scikotics.com/forums/showthread.php?352233-100-000-mile-members!-Bring-on-the-Brag!&p=2569768#post2569768

[MyBlackyXb]

:rofl: and oil oil oil oil oil lol

I'll start a sticky! http://www.scikotics.com/forums/showthread.php?352233-100-000-mile-members!-Bring-on-the-Brag!&p=2569768#post2569768 (http://www.scikotics.com/forums/showthread.php?352233-100-000-mile-members%21-Bring-on-the-Brag%21&p=2569768#post2569768)
Posted my 100,000.

[Mschaefer]

Heres a questions that maybe someone has had to deal with my Check Engine, Traction Control Off, and My VSC Lights keep coming on i took it to a local dealership and had them test it they said it was the injectors needed cleaning did that lights came back on went back they said my air intake was Faulty got that changed lights came back on took it back the said air intake was not installed properly ( even though they installed it) go that fixed lights stayed off for about a month then they came back on went back they said it was my Vehicle Speed Sensor got that changed the lights stayed off for another month they just came back on today:evil::evil::evil::evil:

$2400.00 later im a little pissed and i dont know why its doing that either that dealership has a bunch of Dumb :jerk: offs working for them or something idk but i would like to get it fixed so if anyone has had an issue similar to this that can maybe tell me something that it might be that i can have them look at because i am not very mechanically inclined because im about to the point of getting rid of it but i have a little bit of money involved in the xb and i really like it and dont want to have to start over :naughty:.

[DriverLost]

Go to AutoZone and they will read your codes for free. Write them down & stop back here by with them.

[06xb30]

Heres a questions that maybe someone has had to deal with my Check Engine, Traction Control Off, and My VSC Lights keep coming on i took it to a local dealership and had them test it they said it was the injectors needed cleaning did that lights came back on went back they said my air intake was Faulty got that changed lights came back on took it back the said air intake was not installed properly ( even though they installed it) go that fixed lights stayed off for about a month then they came back on went back they said it was my Vehicle Speed Sensor got that changed the lights stayed off for another month they just came back on today

Sounds like they have no real clue and are just throwing parts at it .. Don't get rid of the Box it can"t be that difficult to figure out

[Mschaefer]

Go to AutoZone and they will read your codes for free. Write them down & stop back here by with them.

i will let you know as soon as i get a chance been a hard week

[Mschaefer]

Go to AutoZone and they will read your codes for free. Write them down & stop back here by with them.

The code that came up is P0171

[Toddms]

Sorry ahead of time for the long post - this is off alldata:

DTC P0171 System Too Lean (Bank 1)
DTC P0172 System Too Rich (Bank 1)

DESCRIPTION

DTC Detection Conditionhttp://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058907
The fuel trim is related to the feedback compensation value, not to the basic injection time. The fuel trim consists of both the short-term and long-term fuel trims.

The short-term fuel trim is fuel compensation that is used to constantly maintain the air-fuel ratio at stoichiometric levels. The signal from the front Heated Oxygen (HO2) sensor indicates whether the air-fuel ratio is rich or lean compared to the stoichiometric ratio. This triggers a reduction in the fuel injection volume if the air-fuel ratio is rich and an increase in the fuel injection volume if it is lean.

Factors such as individual engine differences, wear over time and changes in operating environment cause short-term fuel trim to vary from the central value. The long-term fuel trim, which controls overall fuel compensation, compensates for long-term deviations in the fuel trim from the central value caused by the short-term fuel trim compensation.

If both the short-term and long-term fuel trims are lean or rich beyond predetermined values, it is interpreted as a malfunction, and the ECM illuminates the MIL (http://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OD~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857480) and sets a DTC.

HINT:


When DTC P0171 is set, the actual air-fuel ratio is on the lean side. When DTC P0172 is set, the actual air-fuel ratio is on the rich side.
If the vehicle runs out of fuel, the air-fuel ratio is lean and DTC P0171 may be set. The MIL (http://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OD~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857480) is then illuminated.
When the total of the short-term and long-term fuel trim values is within the malfunction threshold (and the engine coolant temperature is more than 75 degrees C [167 degrees F]) , the system is functioning normally.
MONITOR DESCRIPTION

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Monitor Strategyhttp://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058909
Typical Enabling Conditionshttp://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058910
Typical Malfunction Thresholdshttp://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058911
Under closed loop fuel control, fuel injection volumes that deviate from those estimated by the ECM cause changes in the long-term fuel trim compensation value. The long-term fuel trim is adjusted when there are persistent deviations in the short-term fuel trim values. Deviations from the ECM's estimated fuel injection volumes also affect the average fuel trim learning value, which is a combination of the average short-term fuel trim (fuel feedback compensation value) and the average long-term fuel trim (learning value of the air-fuel ratio). If the average fuel trim learning value exceeds the malfunction thresholds, the ECM interprets this as a fault in the fuel system and sets a DTC.

Example:
When the average fuel trim leaning value is more than +35% or less than -35%, the ECM interprets this as a fuel system malfunction.

HINT: Malfunctioning areas can be identified by performing the A/F CONTROL function provided in the ACTIVE TEST. The A/F CONTROL function can help to determine whether the Heated Oxygen (HO2) sensors and other potential trouble areas are malfunctioning.

The following instructions describe how to conduct the A/F CONTROL operation using the intelligent tester.



Connect the intelligent tester to the DLC (http://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OD~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857209)3.
Start the engine and turn the tester ON.
Warm up the engine at an engine speed of 2,500 rpm for approximately 90 seconds .
On the tester, enter the following menus: DIAGNOSIS / ENHANCED OBD II / ACTIVE TEST / A/F CONTROL.
Perform the A/F CONTROL operation with the engine in an idling condition (press the RIGHT or LEFT button to change the fuel injection volume).
Monitor the voltage outputs of the HO2 sensors (O2S B1S1 and O2S B1S2) displayed on the tester.
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HINT:


The A/F CONTROL operation lowers the fuel injection volume by 12.5% or increases the injection volume by 25%.
Each sensor reacts in accordance with increases and decreases in the fuel injection volume.
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NOTE: The front HO2 sensor has an output delay of a few seconds and the rear HO2 sensor has a maximum output delay of approximately 20 seconds .



Following the A/F CONTROL procedure enables technicians to check and graph the voltage outputs of both the front and rear HO2 sensors.
To display the graph, enter the following menus on the tester: DIAGNOSIS / ENHANCED OBD II / ACTIVE TEST/ A/F CONTROL / USER DATA / O2S B1S1 and O2S B1S2; then press the YES button and ENTER button followed by the F4 button.
Wiring Diagramhttp://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058434

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Step 4(Contiuned)http://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058915
Step 4(Continued)-6http://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058916
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Step 11-13http://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OB0~P4R0H~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857663/122915129/146638457/146639550/166614610/129058918
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INSPECTION PROCEDURE

NOTE: If the vehicle is short of fuel, the air-fuel ratio becomes lean, HO2 sensor DTCs are recorded, and the ECM illuminates the MIL (http://alldatapro.com/alldata/PRO~V208425185~C41832~R0~OD~N/0/115013665/117268962/117268971/117268973/34853741/34857029/34857030/34857480).

HINT:


If other DTCs relating to different systems that have terminal E2 as the ground terminal are output simultaneously, terminal E2 may have an open circuit.
Read freeze frame data using the intelligent tester. Freeze frame data records the engine condition when malfunctions are detected. When troubleshooting, freeze frame data can help determine if the vehicle was moving or stationary, if the engine was warmed up or not, if the air-fuel ratio was lean or rich, and other data from the time the malfunction occurred.
A high HO2 sensor (sensor 1) voltage (0.55 V or more) could be caused by a rich air-fuel mixture. Check for conditions that would cause the engine to run rich.
A low HO2 sensor (sensor 1) voltage (0.4 V or less) could be caused by a lean air-fuel mixture. Check for conditions that would cause the engine to run lean.

[dabox60]

Rear drum
Breaks have Been giving
Me a screech pretty annoying Any one have the same problem

[dabox60]

Rear trunk rattle :( Put some 3m tape on that sh*t Will stop instantly