cry02

[MrHat]

I'm looking at getting Cry02 which is "natural horsepower". I was looking for a Nitrous alternative that doesnt kill your engine. Is it worth the $400-$500 price tag? Will it give me some show points at a car show since im assuming cry02 isnt in everyones car.

link : http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=72&tid=1

[Stu_Gotti]

Never heard of this...

[Stu_Gotti]

Cryogenic Intake systems, cools the air before it gets to your engine. Through the science of aerodynamics and cryogenics, Design Engineering has developed a system to harness the cryogenic properties of liquid Co² to lower the air/fuel intake charge by up to 60%.
Interesting...

Watching...

[MrHat]

here is a youtube video about installation from the Cry02 people.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=INCIGC9jdV4&feature=related

he was saying its for use with turbo/nitrous to cool the system without blowing your car up.

I think i'm going to invest in the system. I think its a nice custom touch, regardless of the hp gain(est. 9%).

[duckmonk]

I wonder what other apps you could use this for. Looks interesting tho the video was cool.

[Go4shoped]

You ARE boosted right? It is NOT a nitrous alternative if you are planning on spraying into the engine. This is for boosted (more so for turbo applications) engines only as it freezes the FMIC cooling the charge even more. N2O is a better choice as far as spray bars go since it is colder than CO2. CO2 is just cheaper and more readily available.

[MrHat]

im not boosted. what applications can I use this for if im not boosted?

[Stu_Gotti]

I believe this would be simply for the boosted Scion... not sure if a SC'd tC would be able to utilize it or not?

[THansenite]

I actually did a lot of research in this system. Unless you are boosted and running an intercooler, the sprayer is useless. However, if you get the intake piece that cools the air, you will see gains from that. They will be minimal since you aren't boosted, but it will help chill the incoming air.

I actually have an intercooler on the way from S-Max Performance that has tubing going through the inside of the intercooler. You hook a CO2, nitrous, or chilled water line up to the intercooler and it flows through supercooling the air charge. It is a pretty slick unit and I can't wait to get it on.

[THansenite]

This is the intake piece I talked about in the above post: http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=4

You can use that for good gains N/A as well as the fuel bar: http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=3

[Stu_Gotti]

Pretty BA, Tony!

[xtremesplokc]

Hmm very interesting, i know DEI's exhaust wrap is the shiznit :P Never new it was possible to touch the downpipe when the cars running :P Anyways i wonder how the intake cooler would compare to meth inject?

[MrHat]

i'm trying to look at it in this kind of perspective.

I'm looking for something to put in my trunk(besides my new subs) that will get people looking. A big shiny bottle will get them aroused than when i talk to them i'll be explaining how it isn't nitrous.

thats my main reason for having it, second is i do plan to upgrade to the turbo scene. I switched from classic muscle to import so I could turbo my car. I'm thinking with that fuel bar and air intake it will be a nice small custom start to a bigger project.

[THansenite]

Yea, a bottle in the back will look nice. Once I get my intercooler installed, I think I am going to go with S-Max's "Chill Zone" tank setup. I believe it is a 10lb tank, but the solenoid and valving on it is twice the size of the CryO2's to allow for more CO2 flow. Granted, I will be cooling an entire intercooler and not a little fuel rail and intake piece, it may be something to look into for the best gains.

[Krdshrk]

CryO2 on a n/a car is fairly worthless. None of this stuff will ever work well for N/A cars. For F/I it's a different matter. Toss on Meth Injection and do some tuning and you're making a lot more power!

[THansenite]

CryO2 on a n/a car is fairly worthless. None of this stuff will ever work well for N/A cars. For F/I it's a different matter. Toss on Meth Injection and do some tuning and you're making a lot more power!

Not true. The intake piece is more efficient at cooling air and will help the car's intake deliver a denser air charge. The fuel rail might help a little bit, but overall, the intake piece will help a N/A car.

[Krdshrk]

Not significantly enough to really be worth the money though. I want to see some true dyno results on this. There was a guy on the NJTuners site harping the intake cooler like this.. At most it'll help prevent heatsoak. Think of it - how cool will the air really get after a fraction of a second going through a tube?

[MrHat]

i dont know too much about the subject.

but will i get some performance?
its usually 100 degrees outside(on a good day) this morning when i woke up to wash my car this morning it was 94. last time i tried to race it was 108 degrees.

[THansenite]

If it prevents heatsoak, it is still helping. Air is only in an intercooler for a split second as well and those work pretty well. The Cry02 intake piece is essentially the same as a water to air intercooler for N/A cars.

Ryan, with things like this that help cool the air charge, the hotter it is outside, the better performance gains you will see because the unit will cool the air down. It is all about the difference in temperature. By supercooling hot ambient air, you are creating a denser air charge for the engine.

[Go4shoped]

If it prevents heatsoak, it is still helping. Air is only in an intercooler for a split second as well and those work pretty well. The Cry02 intake piece is essentially the same as a water to air intercooler for N/A cars.

Ryan, with things like this that help cool the air charge, the hotter it is outside, the better performance gains you will see because the unit will cool the air down. It is all about the difference in temperature. By supercooling hot ambient air, you are creating a denser air charge for the engine.
With an intercooler, the air comes into contact with more metal, which is freezing cold. If you get this little thing for the intake, its barely going to cool any air down.

Think of air being water since both behave accoding to fluid dynamics. With a spray bar on an intercooler, the air flowing through it would be like water flowing through a tub of ice. Even if the water is flowing fast it's still going to be really cold. With an n/a setup and this little thing being in the way, it would disrupt the airflow which already reduces gains, but it would also be like water being pushed through a cold drinking straw. The air doesn't come into contact with enough of the conductive surface to become colder.

This isnt anything new. People have been putting dry ice on/in their intakes for ages, which is solid CO2.

[cryogenx]

The bottom line is you wont see any major gains in performance but it looks kool and will def get you some looks at a show, also in the future when/if you go to a turbo setup it will already be in place. Its not going to hurt anything...

p.s. they also have purge valves to so you can have the cool NOS purge effect without spewing expensive NOS into the air :-)


i dont know too much about the subject.

but will i get some performance?
its usually 100 degrees outside(on a good day) this morning when i woke up to wash my car this morning it was 94. last time i tried to race it was 108 degrees.