Hydrogen Cell

[JoshCrane1]

so who's the first one of us thats gonna put one of these cells on our cars? i have one sitting at work and and debating putting it on, just knowing the theory and design makes me a little worried about the explosive side effects. but the benefit is a significant increase in gas mileage. and nowadays im thinking harder and harder with the fuel prices going through the roof; about hooking this thing up. any opinions? anyone have one on yet?

[JoshCrane1]

i guess no one wants to touch this. :dontknow:

[Stu_Gotti]

What's the process of this type of installation? Pics of unit? Never really cared to much about things like this, but hell, with the way things are... better start haha!

:mro:

[JoshCrane1]

heres a pic of one on ebay,http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H2O2HHO-Hydrogen-Generator-HHO-Fuel-Cell-No-Reserve_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42604QQihZ017QQ itemZ270245220785QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

theres tons of different models out there, but the theory is the same. apply 12 volts 13amps to baking soda and water solution via rods or plates(similar in how a battery works). the baking soda acts like a catalyst, the electrolysis makes the water bubble, and the vapor creates HHO, which is similar to rocket fuel. all is needed is a rubber tube to be connected from top of cannister to intake pipe(where recirculater tube from valve cover goes). the extra oxygen and hydrogen added to mixture creates a smoother,hotter and petrol conserving engine. i have a girl friend with this device on her car and her mileage went from 300mptank to 400mptank. that is worth lookin into!!.

pros: easy design, easy install for our cars, better gas mileage
cons: explosive hazard(arcing the two rods above the water during charge will make explosion.) but with right design, this risk is minimized, but i wont be smoking when my hood is open.

so all in all, you will have a jar under your intake pipe, a 12volt fused ignition and ground, and a rubber tube going to your intake pipe.

[_Keith_]

heres a pic of one on ebay,http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H2O2HHO-Hydrogen-Generator-HHO-Fuel-Cell-No-Reserve_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42604QQihZ017QQ itemZ270245220785QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

theres tons of different models out there, but the theory is the same. apply 12 volts 13amps to baking soda and water solution via rods or plates(similar in how a battery works). the baking soda acts like a catalyst, the electrolysis makes the water bubble, and the vapor creates HHO, which is similar to rocket fuel. all is needed is a rubber tube to be connected from top of cannister to intake pipe(where recirculater tube from valve cover goes). the extra oxygen and hydrogen added to mixture creates a smoother,hotter and petrol conserving engine. i have a girl friend with this device on her car and her mileage went from 300mptank to 400mptank. that is worth lookin into!!.

pros: easy design, easy install for our cars, better gas mileage
cons: explosive hazard(arcing the two rods above the water during charge will make explosion.) but with right design, this risk is minimized, but i wont be smoking when my hood is open.

so all in all, you will have a jar under your intake pipe, a 12volt fused ignition and ground, and a rubber tube going to your intake pipe.


This is true to a point... a jar is not enough to greatly imporve it... You need alot of the gas to come out... and you will be changing the bars constantly.

[JoshCrane1]

This is true to a point... a jar is not enough to greatly imporve it... You need alot of the gas to come out... and you will be changing the bars constantly.
this girl that has it on swears by it, she got 100 miles more per tank.
and the bars(or in my design,stainless bolts with washers) wont need to be changed, the electrolysis will only slightly rust the positive rod or bar, thats y the water will turn red for the first couple times. the only thing that needs to be changed periodically is the water. and its the surface area of the rods or bars that account for more or less gas produced, not the size of the jar.(think about your battery) except in a battery your producing electricity not hydrogen.

[_Keith_]

this girl that has it on swears by it, she got 100 miles more per tank.
and the bars(or in my design,stainless bolts with washers) wont need to be changed, the electrolysis will only slightly rust the positive rod or bar, thats y the water will turn red for the first couple times. the only thing that needs to be changed periodically is the water. and its the surface area of the rods or bars that account for more or less gas produced, not the size of the jar.(think about your battery) except in a battery your producing electricity not hydrogen.

My friend was toying with this in his garage about a year ago probally more... The different metals give off more or less gas... The stainless since it doesnt rust very fast does not give off the amount of gas as others.

You see how small that flow is... that little bit of flow is not gonna make a huge difference in your car. do 3 or 4 of these and yea.

[JoshCrane1]

My friend was toying with this in his garage about a year ago probally more... The different metals give off more or less gas... The stainless since it doesnt rust very fast does not give off the amount of gas as others.

You see how small that flow is... that little bit of flow is not gonna make a huge difference in your car. do 3 or 4 of these and yea.
...different metals isnt what gives off the gas, its the electrolysis reaction that breaks apart the h2o bond; making the isotope hydrogen and oxygen bubble to the top; making your explosive gas mixture. so its not how many jars that will make enough gas; but how much surface area needed in 1 jar.

[_Keith_]

Electrolis happens in more then just Stainless man.. I work on ships believe me I know... The point of the more corosive metal is its givening off more gas while croding.

[Butters]

I have been reading bout this stuff and ford has a car that they made that does this but they use a metal that lasts longer and splits the hydrogen from oxygen atoms more but the rods cost 3000 bucks a piece. and you have to think of this if your up north um the water will freeze. idk if antifreeze would be good putting in there. but im the only person up north in this thread i think. but you can get your car to run on this but i think in the long run buying replacement rods will end up bout the same as gas. IMO

[JoshCrane1]

Electrolis happens in more then just Stainless man.. I work on ships believe me I know... The point of the more corosive metal is its givening off more gas while croding.
i work in a cryogenic lab with electrolysis happening all the time with gold and platinum, i know electrolysis happens in any metal.i think your a little confused on the idea. corrosion isnt what creates the HHO gas, its the breaking of covalent bonds to release isotopes from the WATER. if there was no baking soda, nothing would happen.the gas comes from the water not the metal. the reason i use stainless is because it will take a lot longer to corrode than a lot of other affordable metals. any electricity in water will corrode metal thats why you have zinc plates on boats to ground the electrolysis.

I have been reading bout this stuff and ford has a car that they made that does this but they use a metal that lasts longer and splits the hydrogen from oxygen atoms more but the rods cost 3000 bucks a piece. and you have to think of this if your up north um the water will freeze. idk if antifreeze would be good putting in there. but im the only person up north in this thread i think. but you can get your car to run on this but i think in the long run buying replacement rods will end up bout the same as gas. IMO
the baking soda will lower the freezing point of the water, but yeah the risk of freezing is still there, i live in florida so im not worried about it. those rods you speak of sounds rediculous for 3000 bucks. what are they made out of platinum?

[Stu_Gotti]

How large of boom we talking? :oops:

[JDub86]

So does it it pretty much act like a fuel cell?

[JoshCrane1]

How large of boom we talking? :oops:
BOOM? if you talking about how big of a explosion is possible, think glass grenade filled with rocket fuel. if your talking about mileage increase, about 25%

So does it it pretty much act like a fuel cell?
yes,but i would consider it more of an active fuel additive.

[Stu_Gotti]

BOOM? if you talking about how big of a explosion is possible, think glass grenade filled with rocket fuel. if your talking about mileage increase, about 25%

Yeah, the actual blowing up part haha! So perhaps a carefully designed casing could minimize the amount of under the hood damage? Hypothetically speaking...

[BATComm1]

Hey Josh,

Keep us updated on this..if it works I'm gonna get one !!!

I've seen other sites about these and some stuff on YouYube..and it looks like the same design.

[Stu_Gotti]

I'm really interested in this stuff now... it's actually pretty interesting how it's done... technology is captivating!

:p

[JoshCrane1]

COOL STUFF!!, yeah the risk of explosion is minimal with a safe design, just dont smoke near it.lol


i'll update my progress.

[THansenite]

yeah the risk of explosion is minimal with a safe design

That's what they said about the Hindenburg. :-P

[JoshCrane1]

That's what they said about the Hindenburg. :-P
they painted the blimp with thermite,thermite!!!!! what retards. somewhat safe design, just bad paint. thermite is only one of the hottest burning mixtures in the world. and they paint a hydrogen filled balloon with it. de de de.

[Stu_Gotti]

:rofl:

[Spock]

other then the obvious possibility of explosion what other potential problems are there with this design? Long term to the motor?

Wouldn't you need some sort of gauge or way to keep the water level up? as the water level drops from the process there is more room for h2 to build up increasing the explosion potential. right?

[deflaytedwayz1]

X_TC (ed) put one on his tC last week. i'll talk to him tonight at the meet and see how it's workin for him and let him know about this thread.

[Stu_Gotti]

Please do! I'm really interested in trying some stuff out! :v:

[JoshCrane1]

X_TC (ed) put one on his tC last week. i'll talk to him tonight at the meet and see how it's workin for him and let him know about this thread.
please for comparison sake, be sure to note his rod design setup.

[X TC]

I un-intentionally exploded a single cell at maximum capacity (running for 15+minutes). It scared the **** out of me, but I can't imagine someone getting hurt from one of these systems unless there was a large storage of hydrogen. Its not the HHO cell that makes all the difference in MPG. It's a combination of driving characteristics, overall maintenance, electronic fuel cutter devices,etc. If anyone knows of a simple way to cut the fuel without trouble lights let me know.If your unsure and speculating, save it for yourself. I've tried cutting it at the MAP and O2 sensor. Still researching the benefits. Currently running a wound wire six pack with purge. Noticeable difference in torque,but no substantial fuel economy gains. I believe the difference will be made in the fuel control.... It's not unreasonable for Scion TC to see 30+mpg city/55+mpg on the freeway with a hydrogen fuel cell. I will post when I establish solid evidence of substantial gains.

[Showsol2211]

I un-intentionally exploded a single cell at maximum capacity (running for 15+minutes). It scared the **** out of me, but I can't imagine someone getting hurt from one of these systems unless there was a large storage of hydrogen. Its not the HHO cell that makes all the difference in MPG. It's a combination of driving characteristics, overall maintenance, electronic fuel cutter devices,etc. If anyone knows of a simple way to cut the fuel without trouble lights let me know.If your unsure and speculating, save it for yourself. I've tried cutting it at the MAP and O2 sensor. Still researching the benefits. Currently running a wound wire six pack with purge. Noticeable difference in torque,but no substantial fuel economy gains. I believe the difference will be made in the fuel control.... It's not unreasonable for Scion TC to see 30+mpg city/55+mpg on the freeway with a hydrogen fuel cell. I will post when I establish solid evidence of substantial gains.

This totally has me hooked on the idea. I hope that someone will have this down to a near profection in the NEAR future. I drive a lot a week and 55/MPG highway sounds like a dream right now! Defenitely keep us updated.

[BSP DINO]

i have it on my tc, i now make about 600-650 miles to the tank and still rising.!!!!!1

HYROGEN FTW

[BSP DINO]

did I also say i made this my self, it literraly cost me maybe about 50 bucks and about 7 hours or R&D

[JoshCrane1]

did I also say i made this my self, it literraly cost me maybe about 50 bucks and about 7 hours or R&D
be a great guy and hook us up with your design. i have my own but i would rather try a proven cell like yours. its either try mine and tweak and shit for a few weeks or use your design and integrate it with mine. or i could drive down there and u could help me put it on mine?!!!!

that would be great.

HOOK US UP!!! maybe start a new thread or DIY

[Gato]

well apparently this works. Would be nice a DIY thread for the rest of the Scikos.

[BSP DINO]

to many steps, but mayber I will do a youtube to explain.

[BSP DINO]

I have submitted a sketch for you to see its in PDF format because converting the BMP is too big for th forums.

[Gato]

I got your picture, a little confusing though. quick question why is it that some people do it with one mason jar and your design has two? that might be a stupid question.

[Gato]

I have submitted a sketch for you to see its in PDF format because converting the BMP is too big for th forums.


do you have pictures of the install in your car?

[BSP DINO]

not right now because we are testing in another car, once we see the variables of the outcome, we are going to start selling these at low prices for anyone.

right now my car did close to 600 miles to the tank and a honda element did close to 800 miles to the tank, very good numbers, now we are going to experiment of a 6 cyl. once we do all these we should start at least producing about 20 aweek, cost is still not considered as we still find better parts.

I had it installed behind the front grille in the top, you could not see it, so its not visible, unless you open the hood.

i willpost pics of the car in progress and the 6 cyl i have at home.

[Gato]

sweet, thaks for the feedback. This will help out everyone if it prooves to be installed correctly and safely.

[BSP DINO]

I got your picture, a little confusing though. quick question why is it that some people do it with one mason jar and your design has two? that might be a stupid question.

Here is the answer to your question. One jar your jamming to much energy to your manifold, may result that your car may not start and two how do you pressurize the gas to lift into your intake system.

1. need vac to push and that is the result of the water bubbling pushing in/hg vac into where the hydro cells are located resulting in pushing that into the intake system

if you want to take more consideration look at a nitrous kit, nitrous bottled in a massive tank with an extreme amount of pressure, that is the water bottle and them the release being the hydro cell, same concept but with the hydro cell

the water bottle is just to create more pressure to send to the intake system pretty simple, if not the hydro cell gas will not get to the intake system in such right amounts. I have seen this same exact concept with 6 hydro cells on one truck

[Gato]

wow looks live youve done your reasearch. If you mass produce them safely put me on the list to buy

[vsilvertca]

If you are going to start selling them pretty soon can I put my name on a list or something?

[Showsol2211]

Wow, i am glad to hear that this is coming along!

Subscribed!

[DeekDaSneek]

Yeah,keep me updated too. I want one of these. I could use 500 miles to the tank. What's your explosion rate on the tests and of their are any,how massive was the damage?

[BSP DINO]

Yeah,keep me updated too. I want one of these. I could use 500 miles to the tank. What's your explosion rate on the tests and of their are any,how massive was the damage?

No explosion, just the hydrogen goes through your intake system down to the chamber where the fuel injectors are, the ECU reads fumes and delivers a certain amount of fuel as needed for combustion. So in reality hydrogen takes place as fumes and ecu reads small amount of gas, resulting in more milage.

[JoshCrane1]

im curious to see some dyno results, most importantly the A/F ratio.

[Stu_Gotti]

Still watching these...

The technology is there, that's the great thing, just a matter of someone actually drawing this out for everyone... Scion brand is a great marketing icon already, this would really increase that...

Toyota should really look into producing this for future Scions IMO.

[Showsol2211]

Still watching these...

The technology is there, that's the great thing, just a matter of someone actually drawing this out for everyone... Scion brand is a great marketing icon already, this would really increase that...

Toyota should really look into producing this for future Scions IMO.

I agree, if we can get 50+ MPG without the use of a hybrid engine, i would imagine the millions could come. I mean they must think about this kind of stuff. I wonder why they haven't put anything like this into production. Like others said, i would really like to see a A/F reading on this to see if it fubars with that much.

[Showsol2211]

Little expensive, but looks to be similar to what people are doing. This one however looks more professional.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrogen-Brown-Gas-Generator-HHO-Fuel-Cell-Electrolyzer_W0QQitemZ320272463107QQihZ011QQcatego ryZ3240QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayp hotohosting

[JoshCrane1]

looks nice, the disclaimer is a bit scary. similar to bob in his garage saying "try this duhicky but if i dont work or screws anything up dont come crying back to me."

[Stu_Gotti]

looks nice, the disclaimer is a bit scary. similar to bob in his garage saying "try this duhicky but if i dont work or screws anything up dont come crying back to me."

It's one of those things where perhaps the seller or vendor is not that great at marketing, but regardless, if someone has the want, money and desire to make that technology work... it can and has been done... perhaps not in full detail with Scions yet... but I am seeing so much of this stuff on TV, etc...

Only a matter of time.

[Showsol2211]

Bump! Any update on this?

[Showsol2211]

Bump! Any update on this?

Must have stopped the testing?

[Gato]

theres no way I would pay $500 for a Hydrogen Cell. That was the finishing bid on Ebay. Thats madness

[killerglass]

Hydrogen does work really well

However these little crap token units selling on ebay are not the real deal, in theory alone they work perhaps on a lawnmower.

A well designed unit will cost in the $3000-5000 range including the new electrical charging system that is needed. Currently the Postal Service and gantry Cranes at the long beach posrt are equipped with them with outstanding results (deisel has much better results then gas)

If any of you seen the TV show we did with Arnie from the EPA with the only certified generator system that we installed on a motorcycle. It takes a lot more then a bottle with water and a cpouple electrodes to get it done.

It's great to see the intrest in this technology on all levels, hopefully it will relly push this smart solution to the forefront

:)

[Aurora]

I would like to see a battery version..something that can go 100k miles on a single battery and that is it. Tech is there, just needs the right design.

[Showsol2211]

Hydrogen does work really well

However these little crap token units selling on ebay are not the real deal, in theory alone they work perhaps on a lawnmower.

A well designed unit will cost in the $3000-5000 range including the new electrical charging system that is needed. Currently the Postal Service and gantry Cranes at the long beach posrt are equipped with them with outstanding results (deisel has much better results then gas)

If any of you seen the TV show we did with Arnie from the EPA with the only certified generator system that we installed on a motorcycle. It takes a lot more then a bottle with water and a cpouple electrodes to get it done.

It's great to see the intrest in this technology on all levels, hopefully it will relly push this smart solution to the forefront

:)

See, these are the things i like to hear. People actually looking into something like this. See now i am wondering how people are claiming to be getting better results with the little home made stuff. Are they lying, or is it fesable to make one of the smaller bottle kits hel get you 5+ MPG? I have done a little research, but not a whole lot.