time to boost

[StreetSweeper]

So before I get rid of my t for a turboed neon I'm gonna keep her n throw some boost on it. New to this whole aftermarket boost world but not looking for tons a power I just want a funner driving car. Wanna keep it under 3-4k with fuel managemet what's out there? I can't see how people spend more than that. I just can't do it.

[xbgod]

Then why bother if your gonna trade it for a skittle. Wasted time, wasted money and if it's not then you can spend around a few more grand have something a whole lot nicer than a Dodge (Skittle)

XBG

[DFWMalibu]

I don't know what it is about scion owners that hates Neons.... I had the fastest SOHC first gen neon in the country for awhile about 9 years ago and it was a great car that I hate to say made any Scion seem like a toy... Every person has their likes and dislikes I have both and don't know why scion owners seem so close minded to a car that responds to simple bolt ons as well as a neon... Flame on I know it's coming..

Chris K.

[xbgod]

He says he only wants to spend about 3-4k on a kit because he thinks more than that is too much; but then trade it for a Neon. Makes no sense since aftermarket parts are worth pennies on the dollar. His statement is retarted.

And yes I've seen some quick Neons but I can make a TC a whole lot faster.

XBG

[DezodDon]

This sounds like it will suit your needs.

http://www.dezod.com/pd-scion_tc_turbo.cfm

Best bang for the buck.

[Box In A Box]

And yes I've seen some quick Neons but I can make a TC a whole lot faster.

XBG
no you can't.

low 11 second SRT's are a dime a dozen. all it takes is about $3000 with the stock heads/bottom end and you have a neon trapping 120mph in the 1/4 and getting 25mph.

i've been around SRT's since early 2004.

it takes more than $3500 for a TC to make over 280lbs of torque. it takes $80 for an SRT to make that with an AGP Wastegate with stock intake box, stk intcoole stoc exhaust, stoc every last damn thing on the car......


carlos nice

[xbgod]

I never said it took 3,500 to accomplish what you just said. you should read before you post. He said thats about all he wants to spend. You came to your own conclusion about the rest.

Like I said, I've seen some quik neons. I can still build a faster TC. Hell I did a 745hp CRX last year with a buddy.

If your gonna quote me get it right.

XBG

[Tweek29]

Wow! This got out of hand quick. Way to go DezodDon for the great input for this guy. And if all you want is more fun and not a ton of boost, it's very feasable to do. Check the clssifieds on here too. You can piece some stuff together to save money. Recommendation is don't go cheap on fuel management or the turbo itself. IC and piping is what it is... piping. Stay away from generic and look for bolt on kit. turbokits.com can piece stuff together if needed with out buying an entire kit. Search around and don't rush it. I know a guy selling a Garrett turbo. It's a ball bearing T3/T4 never used. It's made for an external wastegate and has a v-band exhaust outlet. He's lookin at selling it for $400 but can be negotiated. Jus throwin ideas out there for you. I hope it helps. I have an old ofbrand wastegate that will run you about 6psi as well. I'll sell it for $50. I ran it with a cheap off brand T3/T4 turbo and custom kit and was puttin down 260whp and 239ft/lb safely.

Good luck with your build.

Oh, and for the record... talk the SRT-4 up all you want, I haven't seen the tail lights to a single one yet. :hump:

[Box In A Box]

Oh, and for the record... talk the SRT-4 up all you want, I haven't seen the tail lights to a single one yet. :hump:
that's hard to believe.

unless you ran a bone stock one that took off in 4th gear at 25mph :rofl:

bone stock SRT's will trap up to 103mph in the 1/4. if you have a TC, it better be making 270hp and 290ftlbs if you wanna beat a BONE STOCK SRT - just sayin.

at least show some video proof if you're gonna make rediculous claims like that.


I never said it took 3,500 to accomplish what you just said. you should read before you post. He said thats about all he wants to spend. You came to your own conclusion about the rest.

Like I said, I've seen some quik neons. I can still build a faster TC. Hell I did a 745hp CRX last year with a buddy.

If your gonna quote me get it right.

XBG
listen to what you're saying.

you're telling me that you can build a car that runs mid 15's at the track and that doesn't even make 160whp on the dyno to run FASTER than a bone stock SRT4 that runs high 13's and makes 250-260ftlbs out of the box !?!?!

<laughing>

you'll need to reach DEEP DOWN in your pockets if you wanna get a TC into the low 11's. it's not even worth it.......

head/cams/massive turbo/massive intercooler/meth/race gas/axles/motor mounts/built bottom end/upgraded tranny/etc


carlos nice

[Supraman22]

SRT's aren't that fast stock my friend. I was in a stock gen 1 laser that beat a stock SRT! There is a guy locally to me, Chris Krieg, and he builds some nasty skittles. Look him up if you don't believe me. One of the skittles he built, a stage 4, dynoed at 400+whp and 400+ftlbs. He ran low 13's because he couldn't hook on slicks. From a roll the car is a different story, I've seen this car beat busas 50-150. Fact is you could built a scion with half the boost and still run with a built SRT in the 1/4 mile. In fact, if you turboed a tC and ran the amount of boost a stock SRT does, you would completely waste it. Period.

If you think $80 can get you a SRT that runs 11's in the quarter you need to wake up from the dream youre in!!!

[Box In A Box]

SRT's aren't that fast stock my friend. I was in a stock gen 1 laser that beat a stock SRT! There is a guy locally to me, Chris Krieg, and he builds some nasty skittles. Look him up if you don't believe me. One of the skittles he built, a stage 4, dynoed at 400+whp and 400+ftlbs. He ran low 13's because he couldn't hook on slicks. From a roll the car is a different story, I've seen this car beat busas 50-150. Fact is you could built a scion with half the boost and still run with a built SRT in the 1/4 mile. In fact, if you turboed a tC and ran the amount of boost a stock SRT does, you would completely waste it. Period.

If you think $80 can get you a SRT that runs 11's in the quarter you need to wake up from the dream youre in!!!
Nice reading comprehension....

Never said $80 would run low 11's - I said $80 would get you 290ftlbs........

And I completely believe a stage 4 would run low 13's if he can't put the power to the ground...you can't buy "driver mod"...

Either way you look at it - from a dig or a straight line the SRT4 obliterates the TC...

Sweeper, save your money and just get the SRT4...


carlos nice

[sjcobi14]

ive only seen the tail lights of 1 srt-4. and he had rediculous work done, oh and get this, Im an AUTO turbo tc. low to mid 13 depending on weather and tire temp. stock tranny, stock motor. soooo.... im not saying there arent fast srt-4s im just saying with a little effort the tc is a very competitive car. it has a ton of potential. for an exagerated example. look at chris rado and his tc. or ptuning's time attack tc, yeah its a built motor, but still a tc.

[Box In A Box]

ive only seen the tail lights of 1 srt-4. and he had rediculous work done, oh and get this, Im an AUTO turbo tc. low to mid 13 depending on weather and tire temp.
1) do you have any dyno numbers ??
2) do you have any timeslips ??
3) do you have any videos of your runs ??

Now, take a look at the cost of running a mid 13 and compare it to the cost of what it would take an SRT4 to run a mid 13...

You needed a full turbo kit with a tune...could easily have been over $4500...

An SRT could run a 13.5 with a wastegate, motor mounts and a 3" downpipe...less than $600...just saying...

Oh, what's your trap speed ??

p.s.
I ran a 13.4 @ 106.8 back in 2004 with a wastegate, front mount, intake and 3" dumped exhaust...and that's when tunes were non existent for the SRT4...now you have the Diablo tunes which are HIGHLY effective...

carlos nice

[sjcobi14]

i do. im at work. so i cant post right now. but im trapping around 105-107 depending on conditions like i said. im not saying it wont cost a bit to get it up there. im just saying its been done. then again the tc wasnt built from the factory with a turbo so this argument is pretty moot. im just saying that there are beast tc's out there that will walk srt's all day. and i think that in order to be really in tune with your car, you should get a car that isnt factory turbo, so you can have the experience and enjoyment of building your ride. no fun in having it done for you. and not being turbo from the factory serves as another advantage for us tc's because we have a much wider selection of turbo setups. im sure you would have the same versatility if you took ALL your stock turbo components and rebuilt the kit ground up but guess what? ur gonna spend just as much as i am turboing my tc. im not gonna lie when i say that i spent a pretty penny on my ride... im about to drop in a manual tranny with a stage 5 clutch and os giken LSD. is it going to cost alot? yeah, but ill walk even more srt's and thats worth every penny in my book. working at a shop has its advantages

[Tweek29]

1) do you have any dyno numbers ??
2) do you have any timeslips ??
3) do you have any videos of your runs ??

Now, take a look at the cost of running a mid 13 and compare it to the cost of what it would take an SRT4 to run a mid 13...

You needed a full turbo kit with a tune...could easily have been over $4500...

An SRT could run a 13.5 with a wastegate, motor mounts and a 3" downpipe...less than $600...just saying...

Oh, what's your trap speed ??

p.s.
I ran a 13.4 @ 106.8 back in 2004 with a wastegate, front mount, intake and 3" dumped exhaust...and that's when tunes were non existent for the SRT4...now you have the Diablo tunes which are HIGHLY effective...

carlos nice


Wow!!! Nice.... time slips, videos, dyno charts? Quit pickin fights. Its all nice but the guy is asking for input to make his car fun, not have crazy trap times. Oh, and I am pushing 317whp and 289ft/lb@ 9.5psi and a stock motor and stock tranny now. I put $3800 down for all parts and build.

Look at what you'll be getting in return if you sell or trade and calculate your difference. You may end up saving money with a turbo build on your tC than starting over with a Neon. It's you decision. I'm just trying to help you out.

[sjcobi14]

Wow!!! Nice.... time slips, videos, dyno charts? Quit pickin fights. Its all nice but the guy is asking for input to make his car fun, not have crazy trap times. Oh, and I am pushing 317whp and 289ft/lb@ 9.5psi and a stock motor and stock tranny now. I put $3800 down for all parts and build.

Look at what you'll be getting in return if you sell or trade and calculate your difference. You may end up saving money with a turbo build on your tC than starting over with a Neon. It's you decision. I'm just trying to help you out.

well said

[xbgod]

It's still a Dodge, it's still a skittle and it's still ugly. And it's not even a Import.

If you like the rainbow flavors so well then drive one.

And people have seen the kind of shit I build and yeah my pockets do tun deep so you drag that broke ass skittle to the track and I'll run you down with that half ass CRX we just finished for 20K.

XBG

[Chewy]

Everyone has their own preference. And its ok to disagree but try not to turn this into another SL.

[Box In A Box]

It's still a Dodge, it's still a skittle and it's still ugly. And it's not even a Import.

If you like the rainbow flavors so well then drive one.

And people have seen the kind of shit I build and yeah my pockets do tun deep so you drag that broke ass skittle to the track and I'll run you down with that half ass CRX we just finished for 20K.

XBG
Lol @ an old busted CRX making 740hp with $20k...wise investment...............

all I'm saying is that I find it hilarious that y'all think the fastest front wheel drive car ever produced loses to TC's making less than 150lbstq and can maaaaaaaybe manage a 14.9 on slicks with a perfect launch on a blistering cold day...

The TC's have come a long way, don't ruin them by thinking they're race cars or binaries street beasts...

Most SRT's I know ride around in DR's and run mid 11's and low 12's...most of the TC's I see have chrome rims and neon lights...

One is built for street racing/track days and the other can be MADE fast if you wanna dump money into it...

Any one of you personally KNOW anyone that lives around you that owns a mid to low 12 second TC !?!?

carlos nice

[Box In A Box]

look guys, i understand what you're saying. i got deep pockets too but i ain't gonna go and buy a slow car to make it faster. if that's what YOU wanna do then so be it - not gonna argue with you.

all i'm saying is that with the SRT, it's proven that you can run mid 12's and trap @ 118-120mph with less than $3000.

the engine on that car can handle 500hp and the tranny itself is very strong (3rd gear sysncro tends to go if you wide open throttle shift).
i mean think about it - a bone stock SRT traps over 100MPH - OVER 100MPH !!!!!!!

p.s.
i owned my SRT4 for 3 years. then i owned my STi for 3 years. i fully understand what SRt4's are capable of - and losing to a TC is not one of them.

carlos nice

[Tweek29]

Anyway!!! Back to the build for this poor guy. :ontopic:
And I will state again, he's not looking for rediculous trap times. He's looking for a fun daily driver.

StreetSweeper, I'd like to apologize for all of this. My guess is that you bailed on this thread because of all the BS. But in a leap of faith that you're still tracking. Best thing to do is look what you still owe on your tC. Look at what you'll get for it. Look at what you'll spend to get something else. But yes, it is possible to SC or TC a tC for 3-4K. Look at what you want. Dezod has a great bolt-on kit for a decent price. Find a good shop to do the build and tuning. Just remember, boost will cost money down the road regardless of what you're running. Good luck brother.

[Box In A Box]

Sweeper, if you wanna build your car as it sits in stock form, you're essentially gonna throw @ $4000 at it "get it right"...and even then, the tune or the ECU may not like it...I've never been a really big fan of throwing turbos on a car that doesn't already have one from the factory...

The TC engine is spec'd to handle a certain level of horsepower...once you start forcing it boost, you are taking a big chance that your car will hate itself forever...

Save your money and go out and get that SRT you want...hell, you'll more than likely find one that already has the basic boltons with the stock turbo...all you need is stage 2 injectors and a bigger turbo...

PM me if you have any questions...I know my way around SRT's - been owning and hanging out with SRT owners for 6 years...

carlos nice

[Tweek29]

Great advice.

As for the fuel management, Carlos is correct. It is tough. The bolt on kits come with a piggyback F/IC but you will have a small stutter issue on decel and occasional stall. Dezod and AEM came up with a stand alone but it's very pricey. But... future upgrades???? Any car is capable of pulling big power. The stock 2AZ-FE can handle 300hp safely. And your tranny will stand up to it if not abused. As Carlos said, the Neon will bring big power. The tC is capable as well but will always have draw backs. Take it from me though, if you jus want a fun driver, 6-8psi on a stock tC will be fun and stay in your price range. You'll get decent safe power and not lose drivability. To much torque on any FWD, you'll get nasty torque steer and drivability will be touchy. that's assuming that you're not putting so much down that you break lose.