Turbo for Tc?????

[Gato]

I found this on E-bay. Wanted to see if any of the Sciko's have tried it yet and if its worth buying? Any responses would be greatly appreciated it. Muchas thank you's.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SCION-TC-03-04-05-06-TURBO-KIT-2-4L-2AZFE-T3-T4_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ022QQitemZ 350029783848QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[Butters]

Its hard to tell with the intercooler, it looks very tall.
The turbo looks like it should work out alright.
Overall the only issue I see with it is that it is Chinese made.
The piping will fit OK at best and the overall quality of it will be the same as any Chinese product.


And your gonna want a engine management system too or you will have a hole on both sides of the block of your car.

[Krdshrk]

Don't get an eBay turbo. That's all I have to say.

This isn't something you want to cheap out on.

[JoshCrane1]

i would buy everything BUT the turbo from ebay, go elsewhere and spend another 100-200 bucks, itl be worth it.

[THansenite]

When it comes to your engine, stay away from eBay. You don't know the condition or quality of parts when you buy from there. A cheap turbo may save you $100-200 initially, but when you are spending thousands to replace your motor, it won't seem like such a good idea. Save your money and buy quality parts.

[Firefightin_tC]

Cheap + Fast = Not Realible.

[hawgs74]

You're joking right? You're gong to spend at least 2500 for a quality turbo set up. If u get it u might also wanna start searching for a new motor.

[trrbo_tc]

i wouldnt go with this kit because i can tell the piping is universal.

and that means your gonna be doing alot of cutting :(

other then that i run a setup similar to an ebay turbo and im running fine and my number are 263WHP at 7 psi

i have some of those kits available by the way if your interested.

[2dot4]

ebay + any car = junkyard donation.

these are the only things you should buy on ebay for a turbo kit...

piping

that's all.

[Butters]

ebay + any car = junkyard donation.

these are the only things you should buy on ebay for a turbo kit...

piping

that's all.

missing some things too. some people put greddy, turbonetics kits online. those are fine especially if there legit.

just be cautious of chinese turbo kits. they may work and they may not. its a 50/50 chance and if you do buy a back up motor just in case.

[2dot4]

The namebrand kits are iffy too on ebay - if they're selling for more than 10% off retail.

Being someone who had an ebay business a LOOOONG time ago, I found out that you can buy name brand anything that was damaged during shipping, returned with missing parts, or defective in a not-so-obvious way.

I don't know if they still do it, but a lot of places resell returned merchandise - kind of like a scratch and dent sale - they still make fat profits, but you take the item below retail, knowing it's jacked up. Same idea, except the people who buy it below retail turn around and sell it to you for retail as a name-brand, "new" kit.

People are way too fucking shady on ebay, and that's why I shut down my business.

[Krazylowgsx]

You're joking right? You're gong to spend at least 2500 for a quality turbo set up. If u get it u might also wanna start searching for a new motor.


my turbo alone retails for that much! lmfao!

[2dot4]

you put a $2500 turbo on an xb?

:-?

[HyPnOtIk]

Save your money and buy a Quality Kit .

Dezod and Turbo Toyotas both make great kits for the tC !

[trrbo_tc]

my turbo alone retails for that much! lmfao!

i think your exaggerating a little here.

[MiSs_LiNa]

ok im trying to go through all these threads and see whats up with the turbo kit...i was looking into it a bit...Well maybe someone can help me, i want my car to go faster but i want to start off slow. Do i just jump for the whole kit or is there a smaller mod i can do in the meantime until i save more?

gracias amigos

[2dot4]

I spent $400 alone on my turbocharger, and the turbo blew out within a year - I wouldn't spend any less than $900 on a namebrand turbo (i.e. garret, tubonetics, etc.) Everything else you can cheap out on. I got a manifold and downpipe for sale. They're both in awesome condition. PM me for a price.

[Krdshrk]

The only thing you can really do as a "starter" for a turbo kit is put on a different exhaust.

[BoostHerWay]

i think your exaggerating a little here.


yes he is

[THansenite]

you put a $2500 turbo on an xb?

:-?

GT-K's start at around $2,200. I don't think he has one of those for his B, but that was the price I found when I was considering it for my car.

[07tcryder]

wow! im glad i just baught trrbo_tc's turbo kit cause i was just about to buy that same kit not knowing any better.

[Krdshrk]

Uhh... trrbo_tc's kit was just as cheap... turbo was blown fast...

[den_d]

i agree with everyone else...ebay turbos are unreliable.. just recently a guy bought one for his sohc vtech civic and blew it on his first run on the strip, couple of my friend's ebay turbos failed during start up. I have the turbonetics kit for nearly 3 years and my car is running like it did the first day i installed the kit. 2,500 for ebay kit...www.dezod.com has some kits on sale for a little over 3k right now. save up for a name brand kit!

[Krazylowgsx]

i think your exaggerating a little here.

for my tc... gt4294r look it up ebay baller!

[2dot4]

...that was a month and a half ago.

if you're gonna act like that, you should probably keep up with the boards...

:roll:

[stylz_Tc]

Save your money and buy a Quality Kit .

Dezod and Turbo Toyotas both make great kits for the tC !

Let me just put my two sense before u think about getting a turbo from turbo toyota.. I ordered a turbo kit from turbo toyota paid for and everthing and I've been waiting for about 7 weeks already and all I got was the turbo,wastegate, blowoff valve, fuel ingnition by aem and some clamps!!!! I heard it was a good turbo and all but when I try calling the guy too see what the progress is on my turbo he never answers and just text me Instead later and just pushes it a a week later... Yeah I get waranty on the turbo but The only thing that concerns me is that if it takes this long to get the turbo and if something happends to my turbo or anything I have to send it back to get another but then how long is that gonna be... So yeah that's my experience with turbo toyota kits and it better be worth it!!!!!!

[fightinsk8ers]

it will def be worth it when you get it Todd is a good guy but is super busy cuz he is not a huge business like dezod everything has to be fabbed right there and that takes longer

[stylz_Tc]

it will def be worth it when you get it Todd is a good guy but is super busy cuz he is not a huge business like dezod everything has to be fabbed right there and that takes longer


yeah he is a great guy and all I mean when I do talk to him he is Hellas cool but I'm just pointing it out to ppl that if they want to go this route that's fine.. Cause when I talked to him before I ordered it he said 2 to 3 weeks.. I mean come on now especially if ur someone that is finally gonna get a turbo and u can't wait and it happends to be this long.. But I'm actually learning how to bare with it cause let me tell u when I get its going to be the best day of my life LOL

[fightinsk8ers]

y eah dude it will be worth it

[triniosito]

Don't get an eBay turbo. That's all I have to say.

This isn't something you want to cheap out on.
+ 10

[2dot4]

Don't get an eBay turbo. That's all I have to say.

This isn't something you want to cheap out on.

I agree - those stupid ass $500 turbo kits are ridiculous - and all but guaranteed not to fit. If you find a decent turbo toyotas kit, or a dezod or turbonetics kit for a decent price, ask a lot of questions first - no one is going to be completely honest on ebay if something is wrong with the kit, so ask a shitload of questions and save e-mails, so when something comes up - you have documentation lol.

I hate ebay.

[stylz_Tc]

I agree!!! U get what u pay for






I agree - those stupid ass $500 turbo kits are ridiculous - and all but guaranteed not to fit. If you find a decent turbo toyotas kit, or a dezod or turbonetics kit for a decent price, ask a lot of questions first - no one is going to be completely honest on ebay if something is wrong with the kit, so ask a shitload of questions and save e-mails, so when something comes up - you have documentation lol.

I hate ebay.

[Eros]

The cheapest way that you should go turbo would be to piece it together yourself. It would be a great way to learn how a whole kit works but you need the right knowledgeable people to help you along the way and not everyone has those connections.

[sosodesi]

treadstone performance kit 3095 shipped to my door

on a 1-10 scale

overall kit-8.5
install-7.0-7.5 (kinda sucks cuz you have to cut your bumper for the intercooler) 2nd pic is b4 you cut and 3rd pic is after you cut +molded lip kit
power after install-:up:


turbo kit plus a few things

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/sosodesi/DSC00964.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/sosodesi/DSC00965.jpg


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/sosodesi/DSC01102.jpg




b4
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/sosodesi/DSC00954.jpg




after
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/sosodesi/DSC01133.jpg

[JoshCrane1]

wow, no offense but that bumper is massacred, i would cry if i had to do that. but there is a bright side, your turbo'd

[sosodesi]

wow, no offense but that bumper is massacred, i would cry if i had to do that. but there is a bright side, your turbo'd


updated pics

p.s. the scikotics is not a sticker is has been painted on the bumper

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/sosodesi/DSC01192.jpg


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii8/sosodesi/DSC01194.jpg

[Krdshrk]

Yeah that bumper is butchered...

[tcchris38]

How much did you spend on the hole set up?

[sosodesi]

How much did you spend on the hole set up?

3095 shiped to my door i would say spend a extra few bucks and get a fuel mangement. that is a must:icon_yes:

[Hypn0tic]

TurboToyotas and Dezod are the only options you should even think about for the turbo kit on your tC.

[xtremesplokc]

So i wrote this big post and than decided to delte it but the point i was going to make -

-You dont have to buy a $3k kit
-You can build your own setup - if you find good deals it will be 1700-2000 for something mild - if you go crazy like bluesciontc (on another forum) it will be much more :)
-If you have or plan on buying a kit dont hate on people who can and want to do the work themselves just because you cant.
-DO NOT BUY EBAY TURBO! Ebay is fine for things like an intercooler - but not a turbo!
-GET ENGINE MANAGEMENT - If you dont youll be sorry

So there you go. Put it this way inlcuded in the 1700-2000 is spending the time to make basically all piping (charge, downpipe, and all flanges) yourself - this is alot of the reason for the high price of kits, decent-good fitment from the manufacturer without really any fabrication. just decide what is best for your purposes and take that route

[TC_AMSM06]

pulley. it will give you about 10hp. it all just depends on what you future plans are cause if you are going to turbo it you will be replacing a great deal of parts that you would be putting on if you were to starting NA. i suggest , if you plan to go turbo in the future place parts on the car that you can use to prep for the turbo.

[TC_AMSM06]

if i may ask how much are you wanting to spend. cause i know i am going to be buying the treadston kit, the apexie neo, GReddy boost controller. with a good tune i should be pushing about 270 to the wheels. take a look at it

[stylz_Tc]

i pushed 273.4 on 8psi with the turbo toyota kit check it out... And no it wasnt on a dyno jet it was on a dyno dynamic and it was like around 97 degrees in there so it was pretty hot. im sure these numbers would of been different if it wasnt because of it being so hot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwtYJOLPhSc

[Aurora]

I'm know I want to turbo my automatic tC in the future. However, having said that...I have 2 questions...

1. What performance items can I get now to kind of ease my tC towards that turbo job in the future? I know getting an exhaust and a cold air intake are pointless since they will need replaced when you get a kit.

2. Is it possible to run a twin turbo or can the tC take that kind of power?

[stylz_Tc]

I'm know I want to turbo my automatic tC in the future. However, having said that...I have 2 questions...

1. What performance items can I get now to kind of ease my tC towards that turbo job in the future? I know getting an exhaust and a cold air intake are pointless since they will need replaced when you get a kit.

2. Is it possible to run a twin turbo or can the tC take that kind of power?

Umm pretty much when u get ur kit it comes with everything but if u want to get other stuff right now that u are going to have to get later ok. U should get the wideband air fuel gauge by aem tru boost and a oil pressure gauge. Also look at a turbo timer I got the stage zero hks turbo timer( reminder that they don't have a harness for turbo timer so u are going to have to locate the right wires) and then a oil catch can. Mine is made by greedy.

And for ur question for dual honestly I havnt heard of anybody doing it. It I'm guessing its alot of money and alot of custom cut outs. Not only that but I'm sure u are going to have to do ur internals if u decide to do that. I'm talking about the whole nine yards. Gotta build the heart first for more boost and higher numbers. So I'll just Stick with a single turbo. Believe me its alot of money just to start off with putting a turbo In ur car and u still get good numbers !!

[Aurora]

Hey Rudy, thanks for all the info bro! Great overview of what can be done prior to turbo. I've only seen one twin turbo scion and it was sponsored by Mobil. 2nd Gen xB w/ a Tundra V8 engine.

[stylz_Tc]

sure thing buddy. I bet it would be crazy though twin turbo. Insane!! I just seen a scion turbo charged be supercharged. But good luck though man remember u need to have a good tune. Based on that it is going to determine if reliable or not. When ever u do decide to go turbo let me know I got a friend that is a good tuner. He tuned mine. Oh yeah and another thing I was thinking about having one of our meets in Bakersfield. What do u think?? Well tell ur peeps think it over and then let me know what they say. It woould be pretty fun.

[Aurora]

Hey, anything like that I am sure will be welcomed here in B-Town. I know we've been talking about hosting a show, but not much further than that. We won't get big turn outs until we start hosting some crazy and sick shows. Gotta make the map, ya know.

Yeah, for sure it would be great to get my baby tuned somewhere closer to home instead of driving all the way to LA, Long Beach, or San Diego. I think a twin can be done, but like you said...it'll need a lot of extra work. I'm not even sure if a 4 banger can take it. Also, you have to think about your mpg as well.

[Go4shoped]

To answer your question about doing a twin turbo setup:
1. There wouldnt be enough room i would think.
2. 4cyl/2 turbos= 2cyl per turbo = Hard to spool, inefficient, etc
3. If i can think of a 3rd thing to say, i'll say it later

[toyota_scion_tc]

To answer your question about doing a twin turbo setup:
1. There wouldnt be enough room i would think.
2. 4cyl/2 turbos= 2cyl per turbo = Hard to spool, inefficient, etc
3. If i can think of a 3rd thing to say, i'll say it later

Actually would be efficient you could use two smaller turbos since its only feeding two cylinders and not four per turbo allowing faster spool up. Some people use one small and one large one and the small turbo is used to help spool the larger one. The better question is how much money do you want to spend, the setup would probably cost you at least 7K. Anything you want can be done but it would be 100% custom and very pricey

[stylz_Tc]

Actually would be efficient you could use two smaller turbos since its only feeding two cylinders and not four per turbo allowing faster spool up. Some people use one small and one large one and the small turbo is used to help spool the larger one. The better question is how much money do you want to spend, the setup would probably cost you at least 7K. Anything you want can be done but it would be 100% custom and very pricey

Thank u nick that was well said!!

[Aurora]

Actually would be efficient you could use two smaller turbos since its only feeding two cylinders and not four per turbo allowing faster spool up. Some people use one small and one large one and the small turbo is used to help spool the larger one. The better question is how much money do you want to spend, the setup would probably cost you at least 7K. Anything you want can be done but it would be 100% custom and very pricey

Hey Nick, could you explain in more detail this spooling process? Two smaller turbo's sound good to me. I like the concept of twin turbo's and I have read where they both work together and are more efficient (if done and setup correctly) than one big one.

Oh, and how do you figure out the difference? Like, how do you know a small turbo compared to a big one when you see it?


Thank u nick that was well said!!

Yep yep:dance:

[toyota_scion_tc]

Hey Nick, could you explain in more detail this spooling process? Two smaller turbo's sound good to me. I like the concept of twin turbo's and I have read where they both work together and are more efficient (if done and setup correctly) than one big one.

Oh, and how do you figure out the difference? Like, how do you know a small turbo compared to a big one when you see it?



Yep yep:dance:

I'll give it a go. Keep in mind you need to talk with a reputable shop because I am no turbo expert when it comes to different size turbos and matching up them with engines.


Example turbo a T3/T4 A/R /60 trim 50 compared to a T3/T4 A/R .63 60 trim will spool faster but power output won't be as high.

The size of the turbo and engine application depends on how much lag its going to have. The exhaust manifold runners will have to be split two to each turbo. This will cause a decrease in exhaust gases but when pared to a small turbos this will not be an issue. This is only an example and it could be inaccurate (this is why I say talk with a good shop about this) a T25 is a very small turbo capable of 240-300hp depending on engine size and etc. If you pared two of these together it will spool much faster than a larger turbo ex GT35R but the peak output will be limited to the turbo's efficiency. I would think a twin turbo setup with those you could yield 400 or more. The GT35R supports up to 600. It all depends on your goals. If you only want 300-350 pair up really small turbos and they won't have a huge lag to them. The power band with two smaller turbo's will be a significant difference down low but might suffer slightly up top depending on power goals. This is an example of two smaller turbos working togeather.



Another example (once again talk to a shop because this may be a little off) using a smaller turbo to help spool the larger turbo. Say you use a very small T3/T4 to spool a GT35R you will put the GT35R in boost faster increasing the bottom end power of the car because the GT35R working by itself may take 3,500 RPM's to start spooling to get enough boost to gain significant power. With the smaller turbo helping reach the sweet spot on the GT35R it may only have to reach 2,800 to be at the same amount of boost.

[2dot4]

your turbo examples are pretty much the same turbo...so there is very little difference between the two.

Essentially in a twin-turbo setup, you have a small turbo (.48 A/R or smaller) to spool quickly, providing low-end power. Then you have a larger turbo (.60 a/r or higher) that starts spooling (making boost) just as the smaller turbo reaches peak boost.

What happens in a twin-turbo setup is you pretty much have constant boost, from 1000rpms - redline. In a single turbo setup, you have boost only during a small portion of your powerband - small turbos start spooling at 1500rpms, but hit peak boost at like 3000rpms. Bigger turbos don't produce boost until 2500-3000rpms, but hit peak boost right at redline (when using the correct turbo size for your displacement). Notice how the small one hits peak at 3000rpms, and the bigger turbo starts spooling at 2500rpms? That's what the twin-turbo setup is all about - constant boost over 7000rpms instead of boost throughout a 2000rpm portion of the powerband. You will never find a single turbo that constantly builds boost throughout the entire powerband - so they use two and make them work with each other.

Bad news is there are no twin-turbo kits for the tC. People twin-turbo KA24 motors and SR20 motors all the time - and they're 4cyls with the same, or even smaller, displacement than the tC. So the motor can provide the necessarily power to drive a twin-turbo setup, but you would need some serious supporting mods before you tried that...all forged internals, and some serious drivetrain upgrades.

If you got the money, it's definitely worth investing in a custom setup.

[2dot4]

Another example (once again talk to a shop because this may be a little off) using a smaller turbo to help spool the larger turbo. Say you use a very small T3/T4 to spool a GT35R you will put the GT35R in boost faster increasing the bottom end power of the car because the GT35R working by itself may take 3,500 RPM's to start spooling to get enough boost to gain significant power. With the smaller turbo helping reach the sweet spot on the GT35R it may only have to reach 2,800 to be at the same amount of boost.


I think that's referred to as twin-charging - a turbo boosting into another turbo or s/c.
More commonly with a supercharger and turbo - they use the turbo to boost into the roots-style supercharger, making it easier for the supercharger to make boost, meaning more boost faster.

Saw a civic in an old HCI magazine that was tri-charged - turbo boosted a centrifugal s/c (like the TRD style), the centrifugal s/c boosted into a roots style s/c - fuckin crazy. Made like 480whp on 9psi.

[toyota_scion_tc]

your turbo examples are pretty much the same turbo...so there is very little difference between the two.

Essentially in a twin-turbo setup, you have a small turbo (.48 A/R or smaller) to spool quickly, providing low-end power. Then you have a larger turbo (.60 a/r or higher) that starts spooling (making boost) just as the smaller turbo reaches peak boost.

What happens in a twin-turbo setup is you pretty much have constant boost, from 1000rpms - redline. In a single turbo setup, you have boost only during a small portion of your powerband - small turbos start spooling at 1500rpms, but hit peak boost at like 3000rpms. Bigger turbos don't produce boost until 2500-3000rpms, but hit peak boost right at redline (when using the correct turbo size for your displacement). Notice how the small one hits peak at 3000rpms, and the bigger turbo starts spooling at 2500rpms? That's what the twin-turbo setup is all about - constant boost over 7000rpms instead of boost throughout a 2000rpm portion of the powerband. You will never find a single turbo that constantly builds boost throughout the entire powerband - so they use two and make them work with each other.

Bad news is there are no twin-turbo kits for the tC. People twin-turbo KA24 motors and SR20 motors all the time - and they're 4cyls with the same, or even smaller, displacement than the tC. So the motor can provide the necessarily power to drive a twin-turbo setup, but you would need some serious supporting mods before you tried that...all forged internals, and some serious drivetrain upgrades.

If you got the money, it's definitely worth investing in a custom setup.

Thank you for explaining this a lot better than I did. I was trying. LOL

[Go4shoped]

I dont think anyone here is going to be pushing lots of boost. this is why a twin setup is inefficient. A smaller turbo with a ~.58ar or so will produce more than enough boost than most on here will need and still spool quickly. Who's going to throw 30+psi at a tc anyway? I would expect something like what you guys are talking about if someone would need soemthing like a 70+ trim.

And don't forget what i said first. Theres no room for a tt setup on our cars. That xb could do it because it was converted to rwd so the engine was turned 90 degrees compared to our motors. One turbo on each side of the motor, etc. i dont think i have to explain that any further.

[toyota_scion_tc]

I dont think anyone here is going to be pushing lots of boost. this is why a twin setup is inefficient. A smaller turbo with a ~.58ar or so will produce more than enough boost than most on here will need and still spool quickly. Who's going to throw 30+psi at a tc anyway? I would expect something like what you guys are talking about if someone would need soemthing like a 70+ trim.

And don't forget what i said first. Theres no room for a tt setup on our cars. That xb could do it because it was converted to rwd so the engine was turned 90 degrees compared to our motors. One turbo on each side of the motor, etc. i dont think i have to explain that any further.

If someone wants 500+ (like me) a tt setup would help hp down low because boost is being hit at lower RPMS. IF someone is using two very small turbos only for one turbo to feed two cylinder and only wants 300-350whp it would be very efficient because the "sweet spot of the turbo will be hit very low compared to a big turbo that takes 3,000 or more RPMS to spool.

Like I said before a tt can be done if you have the cash to do it. Anything can be made to fit with modifications. The question is how much you are willing to modify and pay. If the manifold is built right a tt setup with two small turbo's would not be difficult at all, just pricey.

I am personally going with a single GT35R turbo and a complete engine and transmission build. I am concerned about spool time but not too much. I have an equal length manifold, I will have stage II BC Turbo cams, and the turbo is ball bearing all of this will help with my spool time. Not to mention how short the tC's gears are I can get some traction off of the line before the boost hits.

[2dot4]

I dont think anyone here is going to be pushing lots of boost. this is why a twin setup is inefficient. A smaller turbo with a ~.58ar or so will produce more than enough boost than most on here will need and still spool quickly. Who's going to throw 30+psi at a tc anyway? I would expect something like what you guys are talking about if someone would need soemthing like a 70+ trim.

And don't forget what i said first. Theres no room for a tt setup on our cars. That xb could do it because it was converted to rwd so the engine was turned 90 degrees compared to our motors. One turbo on each side of the motor, etc. i dont think i have to explain that any further.

Well a twin-turbo setup isn't done for max boost at all - it's only done to increase power across the entire power band. with a TT setup, you're boosting from 1000-6000rpms, whereas on a single turbo setup, you're only boosting from 1000-3000rpms or from 3000rpms-6000rpms. You can run 7psi on a TT setup and have the most solid powerband...you're constantly making power, and don't have to worry about turbo lag or power plateaus. That's what a TT setup is for.

btw - the trim is just how aggresive the compressor wheel is - a .48 turbo can have a 70 trim compressor. If you're referring to a/r, then what you said makes a little more sense...but you still don't need a .70a/r turbo to run 30psi.

and you can fit a tt setup on a tC...don't know about xb's, but if you go custom anyway (which you have to do), you can make the room - slimline radiators and fans, a/c and pwr steering delete...you can make the room.

[Aurora]

Power steering Delete?

[toyota_scion_tc]

Power steering Delete?

Removing the pump, changing the drive belt to correct size (not sure if this is possible, I don't remember how the drive belt routes), removing one of the power steering lines on the rack and pinion and routing the other back into it (so it doesn't freeze up from lack of fluid). I personally wouldn't do this becaue the tC is so heavy I don't think it would be wise unless you have huge arms already. LOL.

[Aurora]

^ Yeah, I like power steering...unless you're driving an xD cuz that car is a lot lighter than our tC's.