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[goodguy889]

i heard you can but an intercooler on a supercharger. is this true or was i told bs.

[Stryker Trailwood]

you can if you want to go through the work for one, its been done.
but the supercharger setup is really not effiecient or designed right to benefit from an intercooler setup. you'll loose a lot of boost and the limit on how much boost you can run with the kit from pulley sizes only able to be so small and the car's redline.

the better option is a water/meth/alky injection cooler setup.

and the scion trailer queen supercharged tC has a prototype top mount water/air setup stamped with TRD on it. dont hold your breath for this one, just telling you now.

[2dot4]

As long as it's a centrifugal s/c like the TRD and not a roots style (which I don't even think they offer on the tC.) you can intercool it...but it's useless. Superchargers don't heat charge air like turbos do. You can touch a s/c after driving around all day.

So you pretty much get no power gains and all of the lag associated with an intercooler...not very beneficial.

[duckmonk]

It might help with preventing heat soaking in the engine bay, but I have not seen anyone do it.

[2dot4]

my gf's Ion Redline has a water-to-air intercooler on her roots-style s/c from the factory, so even roots-style s/c's can be intercooled.

[Stryker Trailwood]

its not that they dont benifit from intercooling, charge cooling is a plus.
its only that air to air with the front mount arent really a benefit.
all the extra piping needen to get it up there and then back to the throttle body you lose a lot of boost.

[2dot4]

you don't lose anymore boost with intercooler piping on a s/c than you do on a turbo...there's just very little added benefit with the s/c since the charge air from a s/c is about the same temp as intercooled air from a turbo. You could make it colder, but the benefit vs. increased lag cancel each other out. Not worth the money in other words.

[triniosito]

i heard you can but an intercooler on a supercharger. is this true or was i told bs.
its true you can do it but its not neccessary and doesnt really make i diff in power

[Stryker Trailwood]

well you do lose more in a sense that the s/c is very limited in how much boost it can make as opposed to a turbo where you can easier compress more to make up for the loss. where the stock intake piping is on the s/c kit isnt at all convienient to adding extra intercooler piping either

[Krdshrk]

I would advise against going intercooled with the supercharger unless you plan on putting on a higher PSI pulley. When you put on the intercooler you lose boost pressure and you really won't make any power, since stock it's only at 7psi anyway! It's much more worth it to go with Water/Meth injection. You keep the same boost and the intake charge is cooled. Plus - with the meth it essentially raises the octane of the fuel so you're less likely to have detonation.

[kris5597]

yea i read that thread on how to beef up the supercharger its pretty badass on the things you can do. quick question though if i bought the supercharger and changed the ems would it void my warranty... probably cause if i did get one i would heat wrap the fuck out of everything and get a 9.5 psi pulley upgraded bypass valve and do the water/meth injection. get a good belt for no slippage and get that lil puppy pushing 300whp. if at all possible. def upgrade injectors too.

[rhythmnsmoke]

yea i read that thread on how to beef up the supercharger its pretty badass on the things you can do. quick question though if i bought the supercharger and changed the ems would it void my warranty... probably cause if i did get one i would heat wrap the fuck out of everything and get a 9.5 psi pulley upgraded bypass valve and do the water/meth injection. get a good belt for no slippage and get that lil puppy pushing 300whp. if at all possible. def upgrade injectors too.


If you are going to do all that to void the warranty, then you might as well go turbo.

[kris5597]

idk like i said thinking about it. F/I is a big decision.

[Stryker Trailwood]

yea if you wanna get to 300, id just go turbo.

[triniosito]

Might cost about the same just to do F/I rather than all those mods to the supercharger and you can make more power F/I

[Stryker Trailwood]

Might cost about the same just to do F/I rather than all those mods to the supercharger and you can make more power F/I

now thats a somewhat confusing statement :lol:

[2dot4]

lol, no doubt.

I don't know if I can handle explaining F/I again...:roll:

For peak power, turbo ftw. s/c is safe, but turbo will always win when it comes to power.

[Stryker Trailwood]

turbo doesnt have the limit on the amount of boost that the s/c does.
i dont think anyone has gone far enough to attach the higher compressing vortech trim in the s/c.
turbo or s/c they both have their good and bad points.

[Krdshrk]

Karl was thinking of going with a V Trim instead of a G Trim Vortech S/C, but he barely drives the car right now so he's not bothering.

[Butters]

As long as it's a centrifugal s/c like the TRD and not a roots style (which I don't even think they offer on the tC.) you can intercool it...but it's useless. Superchargers don't heat charge air like turbos do. You can touch a s/c after driving around all day.

So you pretty much get no power gains and all of the lag associated with an intercooler...not very beneficial.
supercharger will heat up the air cause it air trying to be forced in the car (as air is compressed its temperature increases) and becomes less dense. but doing it will be worthless cause of you will have lag. your supercharger will gain power if you run intercooled.

I would advise against going intercooled with the supercharger unless you plan on putting on a higher PSI pulley. When you put on the intercooler you lose boost pressure and you really won't make any power, since stock it's only at 7psi anyway! It's much more worth it to go with Water/Meth injection. You keep the same boost and the intake charge is cooled. Plus - with the meth it essentially raises the octane of the fuel so you're less likely to have detonation.
^^^what he said i would do too if you want it.