BIGGER MOTOR..... i need one

[TRD_twISTed]

ok so i caught rumor that the Xb can use the motor from a corolla S but can the xa... does the xa even have a motor swap??:fart:

[THansenite]

The xA and first gen xB have the exact same engine. I've never heard of anyone putting a corolla engine in it though.

[dzxa06]

You might be thinking about the new 08 xb, which does have the larger TC/Camry's 2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 engine.

The corolla has a 1.8-liter DOHC 16-valve VVT-i engine in it and the xa old xb has the 1.5 L DOHC I4 engine. So the corolla engine won't work.

Your better off just adding a bolt on hp improvement to up your horsepower, such as supercharger, turbo, or Nitrous.

But really, if we start out at 108 hp. your never going to make it a fast car, so just drive slow and give everyone plenty of time to look at how beautiful it is.

[Butters]

You might be thinking about the new 08 xb, which does have the larger TC/Camry's/RAV4 2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 engine.

The corolla has a 1.8-liter DOHC 16-valve VVT-i engine in it and the xa old xb has the 1.5 L DOHC I4 engine. So the corolla engine won't work.

Your better off just adding a bolt on hp improvement to up your horsepower, such as supercharger, turbo, or Nitrous.

But really, if we start out at 108 hp. your never going to make it a fast car, so just drive slow and give everyone plenty of time to look at how beautiful it is.
fixed:up:

[_Keith_]

I dont know personally but I was told the BB in japan came with a 1.8.

If thats true and it uses the same subframe its doable with alot of wiring work. And if the BB came with a 1.8 im sure the ist did to.

[transformerxa]

i saw on SL a few years back about a guy who swapped a JDM turbo Scarlet motor. I believe it jumped it to 165hp and 196fpt. ill do some research on it and post the link later.

[xalent]

honestly anything is possible with time and money. the 1.8L is a great motor you wouldn't be giving up too much mileage wise and you'd add 30hp. I think its a great swap, if you have a welder and some raw materials to make your mounts match up you would be good to go (grab a corrolla ecu/wiring harness/transmission as well). Look into the motor swap 1.5 --> 1.8 xB stuff they all have the same basic frame and layout as the xA... look on some ist forums and see if there is any more info on a swap

[_Keith_]

i saw on SL a few years back about a guy who swapped a JDM turbo Scarlet motor. I believe it jumped it to 165hp and 196fpt. ill do some research on it and post the link later.

Only problem is in any state that requires smog that would be illegal... Most be same year or newer.

[smokeydog001]

GO FOR IT!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u162/smokeydog001/392crate.jpg

[PONGSxB]

I dont know personally but I was told the BB in japan came with a 1.8.

If thats true and it uses the same subframe its doable with alot of wiring work. And if the BB came with a 1.8 im sure the ist did to.

the 1.8 is the AWD version the subframe is different I think don't quote on me on that one. Let me do my research.


honestly anything is possible with time and money. the 1.8L is a great motor you wouldn't be giving up too much mileage wise and you'd add 30hp. I think its a great swap, if you have a welder and some raw materials to make your mounts match up you would be good to go (grab a corrolla ecu/wiring harness/transmission as well). Look into the motor swap 1.5 --> 1.8 xB stuff they all have the same basic frame and layout as the xA... look on some ist forums and see if there is any more info on a swap


yup damn right anything is possible if you have enough money.



Only problem is in any state that requires smog that would be illegal... Most be same year or newer.

hahah that's why I'm leaving Cali Keith!! I can't stand the smog laws.

[_Keith_]

The subframe can be different... only thing that matters is the bolt up points to the frame of the car.

[ROFL Box]

i suggest that you buy a car with a bigger motor than try to put one in... it would be cheaper in the long run...

[dzxa06]

i suggest that you buy a car with a bigger motor than try to put one in... it would be cheaper in the long run...

True that. xA really wasn't ment to be a fast car.

[Iateacricket]

Build your motor up then boost the hell out of it. ;)

[PONGSxB]

LOL put A k20 up in that bitch!!

[RSone]

:hide: wow!! i just was at a performace shop today talking about upgrades, now i visited a domestic shop but with a few toyotas race cars. (only reason i stop) okay.. well just like it was mentioned before, money talk, and this guys were telling me the same, just drive it and look good, cus if i dont change the power plant i aint going no were. now they also gived me different opctions, from TRD suprChrg, turbo or NOS, and from their experience they told me to NOS the hell out of it. safer for a day to day drive car, and sheeper. no E manegement, just fuel pump, MSD, MSD ingnition control, and i multi stage NOS system, our nice plastic intake is the best for a show set up or a sleeper set up. now this is for the wet system. they dont recommend the dry, do to the intake we have. our intake is not build for equal distribution of NOS and fuel. so ya know you will be NOSing a piston more that other with a dry system.. oh and the last sugestion i got was to get a bigger car. come on.. why did i got an XA in the first.. cus i like it... so NOS it is..

[ROFL Box]

LOL put A k20 up in that bitch!!

im a giant Nissan fan... im just waiting to see the first SR20DET swap...

cuz for a while there they were going into everything...

[PONGSxB]

im a giant Nissan fan... im just waiting to see the first SR20DET swap...

cuz for a while there they were going into everything...


hahaha 240sxb!! sexbox FTW!!

[ROFL Box]

that would be bad ass

but then again, they say that the bigger your motor, the smaller your dick

[PONGSxB]

damn I feel bad for those guys with them big ole trucks then.

hey I ride a scooter what does that make me??

[Iateacricket]

Sweet I must have a gigantic peen0r!

[ROFL Box]

hey I ride a scooter what does that make me??

your a tree fucking hippie

[ogerdgonz]

The bB came as a 1.3 and a 1.5 the AWD is the 1.5 not a 1.8.

Yes the corolla S motor will bolt up to our transmission but you need to notch 4 inches out of the driver's side of the engine support tin (do not want to say frame rail because I know it would cause the.... it is a unibody car so there is no frame)

There is a yaris in Europe that has this swap and I think another yaris in Australia.

The starlet swap is the closest to a bolt on swap.

[Scionxtc]

My girl asked the same question. I told her that it'd be hard cause you'd have to move everything around and maybe even put your battery to the trunk just for space. The front compartment is really small and not really ment for anything bigger. You can maybe try a honda fit or even if you dare think about it put a mini coop's engine in there.

[emozilla]

True that. xA really wasn't ment to be a fast car.



lol well you can say that they dont go fast but they go fast!!! go look at my XA that i ran into a tree with it!!!!!

if you just want a new one im saleing parts of my car!! i have some upgrads that may help you out (pics are on ATL thread)

it still runs good but doesnt look good lol

PS im ok

emozilla

[Hotrod]

Build your motor up then boost the hell out of it. ;)
i doubt the block would hold up to that amount of power.


lol well you can say that they dont go fast but they go fast!!! go look at my XA that i ran into a tree with it!!!!!
if you just want a new one im saleing parts of my car!! i have some upgrads that may help you out (pics are on ATL thread)
it still runs good but doesnt look good lol


thats not from going fast. i have seen people run into trees going a woping 40mph and people hitting poles goin less than 5mph in reverse. speed is not a issue when your talking about crashing/hitting something. the VVT-I L4 is NOT a fast motor in these Gen1 xA/xB's at all. your talking a 100hp (factory rated) motor and your hitting an amazing 70hp max at the wheels. you need alot of money to make one of these super fast.

but acourse i ran with RKC for a long time.

[emozilla]

well im saying is that they get you from A to B i dont think when scion made these car hey wanted them to go fast i think if you want speed then you may want to look into a TC

[JDMist]

You can swap anything in any car. Things required are big bank, big bank, big bank. Check out the 08 xB with a Tundra 4.7L V8 t-turbo 1100hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzC-2hOTLwg


this link is to a V8 powered first gen xB
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/v8-powered-scion-xb/605895/

[Emerald Dragon]

ok well i found somethin interesting too, i heard of a jap ist that the motor its reinforced and able to put twin-turbo in it, same time the 1.5L can be displaced to a 1.8L.... sooo my homeowrk is!!! tryn 2 find the damn jap that did this shit cuz i want it:Hein26:

[wlfpck]

i doubt the block would hold up to that amount of power.


I believe the rods are the weakest part of the motor. Too much boost will just break these. I know there was a huge discussion on boosting the yaris on yarisworld.com


and i'm not sure about the whole twin turbo thing. For a 4-banger I think it might be cheaper and better just to go with a single turbo.

[vettereddie]

Wiseco pistons, toga bearings, and gaskets from Import Performance Parts (http://www.importperformanceparts.net/) - $455

Crower forged rods (http://www.dezod.com/pd-crower.cfm) - $751

Greddy Turbo Kit (http://www.dezod.com/pd_greddy_turbo_kit-xb_04-05_cast_manifold_we-manage.cfm) - $2800

Greddy Intercooler Kit (http://www.ptuning.com/html/Item-Desc.cfm?PartNo=PTGRE12010443&MakeCode=scion&ModelCode=xB&ModelYear=2004-2005%20%28Use%20w%2FGReddy%20Turbo%20Kit%20%26%20A irinx%20Kit%29&ModelDesc=xB) - $855

Greddy Turbo Timer (http://www.dezod.com/pd-greddy-full-auto-turbo-timersilver.cfm) - $97

HKS SSQV BOV (http://www.dezod.com/pd_hks_super_sequential_blowoff_valveuniversal.cfm ) - $218

Turbo XS Manual Boost Controller (http://www.dezod.com/pd_turbo_xs_manual.cfm) - $81

Wideband O2 Sensor (http://www.dezod.com/pd_aem_singlechannel_uego.cfm) - $218

Find a good tuner, get a reliable 150 WHP. If you have an auto trans, you'll need an oil cooler. If you want to build up a spare motor, go to car-parts dot com. You should be able to find the 1NZFE for $250 or less if you pick it up.

[wlfpck]

don't mean to bring back a dead thread...

But check the auto tranny build up guide in the tC section. Should help with anyone boosting their auto xA's and xB's and xD's.

[vettereddie]

Auto tranny build guide link is here:

http://www.scikotics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40085

Jerry, B&M would be my choice for an oil cooler. As far as valve work, nobody I can find has worked with it. I've called Level10, ZPI is no longer in business, and I'll check with IPT. For the xA / xB, a higher stall torque convertor shouldn't be necessary.

[litewate]

i doubt the block would hold up to that amount of power.

Actually the block is not your main worry with the 1NZFE, its the rods! Howver the rods and everythign else is good up to roughly 200 crank HP. With an automatic transmission you will see between 160-170WHP and nearly equal amounts of torque. It is by all means possible to boost your existing motor on the kinda cheap if you did what I did and scavanged parts. I am using an Evo 8 intercooler for example. Not only is it way more than ample, it was not very expensive.

Here are some things I have learned from working with our collective motor the 1NZFE:

On stock internals, boost should be no more than 8PSI or risk to the engine is too great.

The powerband for this motor is fairly even, somewhat liek a motorcycle engine, a nice flat power curve.

The amount of torque and horsepower produced by this engine are almost always within the same amount. (160hp/158ft/lbs)

AREAS OF CONCERN FOR YOUR DRIVETRAIN!

Axels- For 1100 bucks you can get a set of 500hp rated ones from the driveshaft shop

Rods- Crower produces a set of billet rods, and well, they are Crower so they are amazing.

Seals- Don't be a clown, replace your seals with high quality ones. This is the cheaps thing you can possibly do to prevent a catastropic failure.

Additionally just in case you werent sure:

First generation Xb's Xa's and Toyota Echos share a common frame engine and transmission. Suspension and mechnical components for these cars are often not marketed as such but they are interchangable! So the next time you are looking for performance parts. Be sure to look in the other vehicles areas too. Obviously the body styles are different, but that can be fixed to trust me! :afro:

[AceStyle]

don't forget that the xA is a light car, you don't need 300 hp to be fast, you'll fly just fine with 200 hp!

[xAchick]

I know that back when the xA hit florida in 04 everyone was talking about putting a chevy small block in it... it would fit.. but i dunno.. seemed like a lot of work. The xA was not meant to be a fast car. End of story. lol

[eric_04scion]

So have you decided to run turbo or nos or supercharge it yet? I'm thinking about running a turbo on mine but I'm not sure yet. I have around $3000 to play with so I'm trying to see which option would be the best to choose for my xa. If I could get about 200 hp out of the xa I would be satisfied. Does anyone think that I should go turbo or should I go nos? I don't think I want to run the supercharger. I've heard that they are crap on our motor since a supercharger is an engine driven air pump that forces the air into the engine, I've heard that our engine doesn't do a good job at turning the belt enough on the supercharger to really get anything out of a supercharger but please put some feedback back. Let me know what everyone thinks!
And I'm sorry if it sounds like I jacked this thread. Didn't mean for me to do that. Guess I carried on a bit.

[AceStyle]

So have you decided to run turbo or nos or supercharge it yet? I'm thinking about running a turbo on mine but I'm not sure yet. I have around $3000 to play with so I'm trying to see which option would be the best to choose for my xa. If I could get about 200 hp out of the xa I would be satisfied. Does anyone think that I should go turbo or should I go nos? I don't think I want to run the supercharger. I've heard that they are crap on our motor since a supercharger is an engine driven air pump that forces the air into the engine, I've heard that our engine doesn't do a good job at turning the belt enough on the supercharger to really get anything out of a supercharger but please put some feedback back. Let me know what everyone thinks!
And I'm sorry if it sounds like I jacked this thread. Didn't mean for me to do that. Guess I carried on a bit.

I don;t really believe that it wont spin fast enough for a supercharger, you can make the supercharger spin faster by using different pulley, so that's just a matter of bad or impractical design.

the reason why i suggest turbo is that a supercharger is always parasitic drain on the engine....so you lose gas mileage no matter what, at least with a turbo you can get a benefit in gas mileage in some instances.