Starter Turbo Kits - PICTURES - For Sale - Brand New Kits

[trrbo_tc]

Here are the pictures people requested of my custom turbo kit,
i'm also going to be selling these, continue reading at the bottom for pricing.

i took a crap load of pictures,
and i posted them to my photobucket.

here is the link to the pictures.

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/

for those of you who are lazy or dont want to click the link - here are a few pics.


THE WASTE GATE -

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0713.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0706.jpg

Fuel Pressure Regulator

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0701.jpg

T3 Turbo Manifold

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0700.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0697.jpg

Intercooler Piping

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0751.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0749.jpg

THE TURBO

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0747.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0744.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0741.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0734.jpg

THE INTERCOOLER

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0727.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0729.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0726.jpg

BLOWOFF VALVE

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0721.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0724.jpg

TURBO ACCESSORIES - Oil Lines Etc

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0720.jpg

Exhaust Flange

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/stryker05/Turbo%20Pictures/IMG_0718.jpg



The kit is going on sale for $1,450.00 + Shipping To Your Area.

If your interested, i will give you my phone number & home address,
we can talk further on the phone about your purchase.

i can also have your custom downpipe made for your turbo setup if you dont want to have a local shop do it for you.

this turbo kit supports a MAX HP of 325HP

Any other questions let me know.

- michael

[2dot4]

I am honestly impressed - that's badass looking.

I seriously want to know how much that intercooler setup is going for. Can you find out for me?? I'm seriously interested in buying one.

EDIT: I just noticed...is that a DIY downpipe? Did they just give you the flange to make your own downpipe or did it include one that you forgot to take a picture of?

[trrbo_tc]

yeah 2dot4, ill get a price for you from the shop...

yes it's a DIY downpipe, however im going to have some made out of T-304 Stainless Steel Polished for a clean look.

[TunerTrifecta]

I want boost :( Couple more months, then, TAX RETURN TIME! :) Eric, I could be keeping up with ya by my b-day in April! :-O!

[trrbo_tc]

Just let me know guys, i can have them built and ready to go in 2 days + shipping time .. thats all ..

[TunerTrifecta]

I'll keep it in mind, Mike!! Sorry for the little quarrel in your FS thread :(

[2dot4]

:) Eric, I could be keeping up with ya by my b-day in April! :-O!

not with a 16g. lol

[TunerTrifecta]

difference is, I'll have exhaust and fuel ;) Dunno what I'm going to do about tuning yet, E-Manage, AEM, F.A.S.T. XFI, ????...I just can't decide

[2dot4]

damn - I knew I shouldn't have stopped modding my car! lol, brandon.

I should have exhaust pretty soon and injectors after that. Hoping to be tuned by xmas...if not a few days after...depends on how much I spend on xmas presents.

By april, I'll be intercooled, tuned, and running 10psi....at least that's my goal. But I'll let you play keep up. :wohow:

[TunerTrifecta]

10? Hell I hope to be running ~15 by then! Who knows though, your car doesn't have the valve chatter of death. Oh, I may have a new head by then too lol. Depends on how tired I get of listening to valve chatter this winter :blink:

[trrbo_tc]

you guys let me know.
I'm also sure i can get internals from this custom shop as well.
the only stuff i know they dont sell is like electronics and stuff liek that.

BUT I GOT THE HOOKUP ON THAT TOO !

I'll be posting more information later on about that.

[hotwheelsrs1]

if u can get prices on some internal peices im interested

[trrbo_tc]

i can get you a an internals setup kit,

it includes 4 pistons, rings, pins etc

for around 700 USD

ill include pics as soon as i can get the parts to take the pictures.

[Krdshrk]

Interesting looking kit. I wonder what brand names they are.

I'm wondering how the piping is laid out, too. I don't like seeing a lot of 90 Degree bends... And that's how the piping goes...

[trrbo_tc]

once i have it all setup on my sky-on,
ill take pics

[2dot4]

10? Hell I hope to be running ~15 by then! Who knows though, your car doesn't have the valve chatter of death. Oh, I may have a new head by then too lol. Depends on how tired I get of listening to valve chatter this winter :blink:

yeah - 10 is my limit, but hopefully with the right supporting mods, I'll still hit 350whp. Tis my goal. If trrbotc will ever get me a price on that intercooler, I'll be buying that fairly soon, along with injectors, exhaust, and electronic boost controller (maybe AEM tru boost). I have a couple other ideas, but I don't want to start listing off a whole shit load of "future mods" - I'll just talk about them once I buy them. lol

Hang onto the tc - I wanna run you once you get boost. I need some competition damn it!

[2dot4]

once i have it all setup on my sky-on,
ill take pics

when can we expect this?

You doin the install yourself?

[bottled]

hey 2 dot 4 what times have you run i got a all motor tc that will run ya... well if you consider n2o all motor....but im interested in this turbo set up as well and we need a pasword to look at your photobucket

[2dot4]

nitrous is F/I

but I'll run you - we both claim 100hp over stock. I don't have track numbers yet, though.

[bottled]

nitrous is not force induction i am not forcing air into my engine.... N/a stands for naturally aspirated... meaning air and fuel... nitrous is a fuel that gives a much larger explosion in the combustion chamber thus giving the car more power..... NOT F/I.....

[Krdshrk]

Pretty much everyone considers Nitrous to be F/I.

[fightinsk8ers]

Pretty much everyone considers Nitrous to be F/I.


yes ! it gives you gains like f/i

[bottled]

nope it doesnt matter what people think it is... cause its not f/i.... and just cause something can make as much power as f/i that doesnt make it either..... forced induction is a term used to describe how the AIR is forced into the engine so you can add more fuel to make it faster.... n2o clearly is n/a due to the fact the engine no matter how much extra fuel i put into my engine still breathes on its own power.... NOT FORCFULLY FED AIR.... thus making it N/A

[trrbo_tc]

i agree with bottled, nitrous is just highly combustible oxygen mixture at very cold temps, so once it hits the engine it causes it to boost quicker based on the combustible shot mixture, no the engine's ability to suck in air.

[2dot4]

Nitrous isn't combustible or a fuel for that matter - it needs a separate fuel source. It's an oxidizer, it makes fuel burn hotter.

And no, Nitrous isn't N/A - "naturally aspirated" means your engine draws in air through the natural vacuum created by the pistons, making power off the subsequent air - being "Self-sufficient" in other words...no help from an outside source. Granted nitrous isn't forcing air into the engine, but nitrous operates at what? 1100psi? Somethings getting forced into the engine. And with nitrous you're not just using the natural vacuum of the pistons to draw in air - nitrous is an oxidizer that is sprayed into the engine - creating essentially more air...unnaturally. So while you can argue that it might not be F/I - it's definitely not N/A or all motor.

Regardless, you're using semantics to argue your point. No matter how you interpret the term, Forced induction applies to boost and nitrous - always has. I don't make the rules, but I've been around long enough to know what's what.

[TunerTrifecta]

F/I is still considered forced induction, as you're altering the air/fuel mixture.

Eric, I got a guy wanting to buy my tC right now, I'm going to look at this pristine 350z on friday.

[trrbo_tc]

Nitrous isn't combustible or a fuel for that matter - it needs a separate fuel source. It's an oxidizer, it makes fuel burn hotter.

And no, Nitrous isn't N/A - "naturally aspirated" means your engine draws in air through the natural vacuum created by the pistons, making power off the subsequent air - being "Self-sufficient" in other words...no help from an outside source. Granted nitrous isn't forcing air into the engine, but nitrous operates at what? 1100psi? Somethings getting forced into the engine. And with nitrous you're not just using the natural vacuum of the pistons to draw in air - nitrous is an oxidizer that is sprayed into the engine - creating essentially more air...unnaturally. So while you can argue that it might not be F/I - it's definitely not N/A or all motor.

Regardless, you're using semantics to argue your point. No matter how you interpret the term, Forced induction applies to boost and nitrous - always has. I don't make the rules, but I've been around long enough to know what's what.

that maybe true, but i like oatmeal !

[THansenite]

Pretty much everyone considers Nitrous to be F/I.

x2

Nitrous is pressurized in the bottle which forces the nitrous into the air/fuel mixture. Granted, it isn't the same as a turbo or supercharger, you are still putting it there. I consider nitrous F/I.

To me, all motor is just that, all motor. No power adders like nitrous. Just what your motor is capable of.

[TunerTrifecta]

Eric, you can race my boosted Z :) That'll be getting boost with my tax return check.....mwahahaha.

[BSeaton]

x2

Nitrous is pressurized in the bottle which forces the nitrous into the air/fuel mixture. Granted, it isn't the same as a turbo or supercharger, you are still putting it there. I consider nitrous F/I.

To me, all motor is just that, all motor. No power adders like nitrous. Just what your motor is capable of.

NITROUS IS NOT F/I

Defined by many other car clubs I am in or have been in, Nitrous or NOS is NOT F/I..... It is considered in a group by itself, many times refered to as "the juice"..... Nitrous is NOT combustable, it does not burn soly by itself..... Nitrous as was stated is an oxidizer..... It as said makes the cumbustion burn hotter, but at the same time ofers more oxygen for a better burn.....

F/I people is not all about compressing air into an engine..... The power comes from the fact it cause the engines O2 snsors to read higher inputs of oxygen and the computer or ECU then relays to the fuel system, to inject more fuel into the engine, so what you get is more air, plus more fuel, equals moe power..... Too much fuel and you run rich, too little and yo run lean, too lean and you risk detonation (the blowing up of one's engine.... Looks cool).... Which why it is very important to run a tune with any F/I....

Nitrous however, doesn't always require a tune to rn, infact there are warranty safe kits out there that don't have corolation with the ECU in anyway.... Just injects and does it's thing.... Nitrous does not act in the same way F/I does.... F/I works togheter with the Fuel system to input more air and fuel outputting more power.... Which is why 90% of people who boost usually have a boost gauge and a fuel pressure gadge..... In my opinion, those who dont use a fuel pressure gauge with boost are retarded... But I have seen it, and the person is cluless when asked, why dont you have one.... Useually asks why does he need one... F/I works with air compression and more fuel.... Nitrous doesn't require more fuel to spend, rather it soret of changes the chemical process of the combustion... Cooling the intake charge and oxidizing it, setting up for a better hotter burn, hotter= energy as heat is a source of energy... Nitrous is not F/I... IT is a mod, as I stated, it is classified in a group of its own called "juiced", but it leans much closer to the N/A properties...then F/I....

[TunerTrifecta]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:blink::dots::rofl:

[2dot4]

NITROUS IS NOT F/I

Defined by many other car clubs I am in or have been in, Nitrous or NOS is NOT F/I..... It is considered in a group by itself, many times refered to as "the juice"..... Nitrous is NOT combustable, it does not burn soly by itself..... Nitrous as was stated is an oxidizer..... It as said makes the cumbustion burn hotter, but at the same time ofers more oxygen for a better burn.....

F/I people is not all about compressing air into an engine..... The power comes from the fact it cause the engines O2 snsors to read higher inputs of oxygen and the computer or ECU then relays to the fuel system, to inject more fuel into the engine, so what you get is more air, plus more fuel, equals moe power..... Too much fuel and you run rich, too little and yo run lean, too lean and you risk detonation (the blowing up of one's engine.... Looks cool).... Which why it is very important to run a tune with any F/I....

Nitrous however, doesn't always require a tune to rn, infact there are warranty safe kits out there that don't have corolation with the ECU in anyway.... Just injects and does it's thing.... Nitrous does not act in the same way F/I does.... F/I works togheter with the Fuel system to input more air and fuel outputting more power.... Which is why 90% of people who boost usually have a boost gauge and a fuel pressure gadge..... In my opinion, those who dont use a fuel pressure gauge with boost are retarded... But I have seen it, and the person is cluless when asked, why dont you have one.... Useually asks why does he need one... F/I works with air compression and more fuel.... Nitrous doesn't require more fuel to spend, rather it soret of changes the chemical process of the combustion... Cooling the intake charge and oxidizing it, setting up for a better hotter burn, hotter= energy as heat is a source of energy... Nitrous is not F/I... IT is a mod, as I stated, it is classified in a group of its own called "juiced", but it leans much closer to the N/A properties...then F/I....

Juice is a nickname for nitrous, not a classification. Lay off the video games lol. You're right that's it's typically classified on it's own, but that's probably because of arguments like this one.

You can't say that nitrous even leans towards the N/A classification - nitrous adds more oxygen to the engine, therefore the motor is not producing power on it's own. Nitrous is anything but N/A - Forced induction means adding more air into the cylinders to be burned by means other than the natural vacuum created by the pistons - it doesn't necessarily specify that boost is involved. 1100psi is plenty of force if you ask me. While your manifold pressure may not increase with nitrous, more air is definitely being forced into the engine. How does that not make sense?

Oh, and about the "f/i requires changes to the fuel system" and whatnot - a dry 30 shot will lean out your motor, and the MAF system combined with the 02 system will tell the ECU to make adjustments (injector duration changes). And don't forget about wet shots that hook up to your fuel system and spray fuel with the nitrous. So Nitrous has the exact same impact on your motor and tuning as boost does. You add more air, you need more fuel. If you get a dry 100 shot, you have to tune the ECU to inject more fuel. If you get a wet 100 shot, the fuel solenoid does the "tuning" for you.

Why is this so difficult to understand? Forced Induction implies that more air is added to the engine by unnatural means (any air inside the engine that was not acquired by vacuum alone) - you all assume that requires boost - which is why we're all still discussing this. There's more ways than boost to add air - nitrous being one of them. F/I means adding air - nitrous adds air to the engine, therefore it's F/I. Case solved.

[TunerTrifecta]

I <3 you, for posts like above, Eric. :rofl:

[fightinsk8ers]

haha thanks dr. turbo

[rhythmnsmoke]

Last time I checked, Nitrous was in a category called "Power Adders". F/I is reserved for Superchargers and turbos.

[rhythmnsmoke]

What's the specs on the turbo you are using trrbo tC?

[trrbo_tc]

hi rhythm ... here are some specs on the turbo itself..

evoIII turbo

HP support is 325HP

A/R : .42

Inlet 3 Inches

Outlet 2.25 Inches

Size 48 Wheel & 45 Trim

[BSeaton]

Juice is a nickname for nitrous, not a classification. Lay off the video games lol. You're right that's it's typically classified on it's own, but that's probably because of arguments like this one.

You can't say that nitrous even leans towards the N/A classification - nitrous adds more oxygen to the engine, therefore the motor is not producing power on it's own. Nitrous is anything but N/A - Forced induction means adding more air into the cylinders to be burned by means other than the natural vacuum created by the pistons - it doesn't necessarily specify that boost is involved. 1100psi is plenty of force if you ask me. While your manifold pressure may not increase with nitrous, more air is definitely being forced into the engine. How does that not make sense?

Oh, and about the "f/i requires changes to the fuel system" and whatnot - a dry 30 shot will lean out your motor, and the MAF system combined with the 02 system will tell the ECU to make adjustments (injector duration changes). And don't forget about wet shots that hook up to your fuel system and spray fuel with the nitrous. So Nitrous has the exact same impact on your motor and tuning as boost does. You add more air, you need more fuel. If you get a dry 100 shot, you have to tune the ECU to inject more fuel. If you get a wet 100 shot, the fuel solenoid does the "tuning" for you.

Why is this so difficult to understand? Forced Induction implies that more air is added to the engine by unnatural means (any air inside the engine that was not acquired by vacuum alone) - you all assume that requires boost - which is why we're all still discussing this. There's more ways than boost to add air - nitrous being one of them. F/I means adding air - nitrous adds air to the engine, therefore it's F/I. Case solved.
It is not F/I but believe what you want.... oh and for your knowledge.... I don't play video games.... Nickname/ classification, to me the same damn thing.... Juice is a nickname.... it is a classification of its own...

Power adder is a vauge classification, a supercharger is a power adder, Nitrous while YES is a power adder, it is refered to as the juice.... I don't get where video games have anything to do with that..... This club is the oly club Ive ever been in that says Nitrous is F/I.... And Ive been in alot of clubs....

I never said nitrous doesn't register with in your ECU, I said it is possible to use nitrous with out it registering in your ECU....

And 1100 PSI is not what is put into the cumbustion chamber, 1100 PSI is what is pushed out at the tank to put enough Nitrous into the chamber for combustion.... Do not get that confused with a blowers pi which is usually kept below 20 psi..... for a reason!!!!

BTW, I will say it again because you said I can't say it.... Nitrous still leans closer to N/A then F/I. Depending on your set up, nitrous can even enter direct port, on its own, not through the air system, how do you call that F/I as apposed to N/A when aspiration deals with air intake?....

It's almostl ike youd call a CAI F/I cause it alters how air is breathed in allowing more air in through cooler denser air.... CAI is stil N/A...

[rhythmnsmoke]

hi rhythm ... here are some specs on the turbo itself..

evoIII turbo

HP support is 325HP

A/R : .42

Inlet 3 Inches

Outlet 2.25 Inches

Size 48 Wheel & 45 Trim


I see, so you are running a smaller version of the 16G. Do you have track numbers, dyno numbers on your personal car?

[2dot4]

It is not F/I but believe what you want.... oh and for your knowledge.... I don't play video games.... Nickname/ classification, to me the same damn thing.... Juice is a nickname.... it is a classification of its own...

Power adder is a vauge classification, a supercharger is a power adder, Nitrous while YES is a power adder, it is refered to as the juice.... I don't get where video games have anything to do with that..... This club is the oly club Ive ever been in that says Nitrous is F/I.... And Ive been in alot of clubs....

I never said nitrous doesn't register with in your ECU, I said it is possible to use nitrous with out it registering in your ECU....

And 1100 PSI is not what is put into the cumbustion chamber, 1100 PSI is what is pushed out at the tank to put enough Nitrous into the chamber for combustion.... Do not get that confused with a blowers pi which is usually kept below 20 psi..... for a reason!!!!

BTW, I will say it again because you said I can't say it.... Nitrous still leans closer to N/A then F/I. Depending on your set up, nitrous can even enter direct port, on its own, not through the air system, how do you call that F/I as apposed to N/A when aspiration deals with air intake?....

It's almostl ike youd call a CAI F/I cause it alters how air is breathed in allowing more air in through cooler denser air.... CAI is stil N/A...

lol - ok. The hardest part of arguing with you is figuring out where to start.

A CAI doesn't put air into the engine by force - it opens the flow to increase air drawn in by vacuum. Meaning it's still N/A. When you add air into the engine by means OTHER than just vacuum, it's F/I.

Even with a CAI, the engine still produces power by air drawn in under vacuum alone. When you spray nitrous into the engine to increase the amount of oxygen in the motor, you're forcing air in. Force doesn't equal boost, so quit thinking that. And like I said in my other post, with nitrous your manifold pressure doesn't increase - I'm not dumb enough to think that nitrous gives you 1100 lbs of boost. But thanks for the tip.

Natural means exactly that - all the air entering the engine is drawn in by natural vacuum. Nitrous is PUT into the engine under pressure - if the car wasn't running, 1100psi would be enough force to get the nitrous from the nozzle into the combustion chamber - therefore proving nitrous is completely independent of the engine's natural vacuum...making it EVERYTHING BUT n/a.

In lamens terms - vacuum is the opposite of pressure - nitrous is under pressure...high pressure. Why the hell would it make sense that nitrous works off a vacuum?

And all you need to be in a car club is a car - they can pretend to know all they want, but I wouldn't use that as an ultimate source. All you've said is you've been a member of a bunch of dumb clubs.

And it's possible to run boost without tuning the ecu, too - case in point - me. So that says nothing about nitrous being N/A.

And I don't even know why you brought up direct port nitrous - do you know what that is? It's the same fucking thing, except you get one nozzle tapped into each intake manifold runner, allowing you to tune nitrous for each cylinder. It's still sprayed in under the same force, and it still adds air the same way.

Stop associating Forced Induction with boost - forced just means the air was added by some other means than vacuum.

You go to a track and sign up for the all motor class with nitrous and see what happens.

[_Keith_]

Some real easy knowledge....

Let's start with the similarities. Both turbochargers and superchargers are called forced induction systems. They compress the air flowing into the engine. The advantage of compressing the air is that it lets the engine stuff more air into a cylinder. More air means that more fuel can be stuffed in, too, so you get more power from each explosion in each cylinder. A turbo/supercharged engine produces more power overall than the same engine without the charging.




This Question of the Day (http://www.howstuffworks.com/question258.htm) talks about how sodium chlorate acts as a way to store oxygen. You release the oxygen in sodium chlorate by heating it. It turns out that nitrous oxide (N20) works exactly the same way. When you heat nitrous oxide to about 570 degrees F (~300 C), it splits into oxygen and nitrogen. So the injection of nitrous oxide into an engine (http://www.howstuffworks.com/engine.htm) means that more oxygen is available during combustion. Because you have more oxygen, you can also inject more fuel, allowing the same engine to produce more power. Nitrous oxide is one of the simplest ways to provide a significant horsepower (http://www.howstuffworks.com/horsepower.htm) boost to any gasoline engine.
Nitrous oxide has another effect that improves performance even more. When it vaporizes, nitrous oxide provides a significant cooling effect on the intake air. When you reduce the intake air temperature, you increase the air's density, and this provides even more oxygen inside the cylinder. The only problem with nitrous oxide is that it is fairly bulky, and the engine needs a lot of it. Like any gas, it takes up a fair amount of space even when compressed into a liquid. A 5-liter engine running at 4,000 rotations per minute (rpm) consumes about 10,000 liters of air every minute (compared to about 0.2 liters of gasoline (http://www.howstuffworks.com/gasoline.htm)), so it would take a tremendous amount of nitrous oxide to run a car continuously. Therefore, a car normally carries only a few minutes of nitrous oxide, and the driver uses it very selectively by pushing a button.


And yes I got this off how stuff works... I didnt feel like explaining it... Since it seems most people dont get how stuff works.

[BSeaton]

lol - ok. The hardest part of arguing with you is figuring out where to start.

A CAI doesn't put air into the engine by force - it opens the flow to increase air drawn in by vacuum. Meaning it's still N/A. When you add air into the engine by means OTHER than just vacuum, it's F/I.

Even with a CAI, the engine still produces power by air drawn in under vacuum alone. When you spray nitrous into the engine to increase the amount of oxygen in the motor, you're forcing air in. Force doesn't equal boost, so quit thinking that. And like I said in my other post, with nitrous your manifold pressure doesn't increase - I'm not dumb enough to think that nitrous gives you 1100 lbs of boost. But thanks for the tip.

Natural means exactly that - all the air entering the engine is drawn in by natural vacuum. Nitrous is PUT into the engine under pressure - if the car wasn't running, 1100psi would be enough force to get the nitrous from the nozzle into the combustion chamber - therefore proving nitrous is completely independent of the engine's natural vacuum...making it EVERYTHING BUT n/a.

In lamens terms - vacuum is the opposite of pressure - nitrous is under pressure...high pressure. Why the hell would it make sense that nitrous works off a vacuum?

And all you need to be in a car club is a car - they can pretend to know all they want, but I wouldn't use that as an ultimate source. All you've said is you've been a member of a bunch of dumb clubs.

And it's possible to run boost without tuning the ecu, too - case in point - me. So that says nothing about nitrous being N/A.

And I don't even know why you brought up direct port nitrous - do you know what that is? It's the same fucking thing, except you get one nozzle tapped into each intake manifold runner, allowing you to tune nitrous for each cylinder. It's still sprayed in under the same force, and it still adds air the same way.

Stop associating Forced Induction with boost - forced just means the air was added by some other means than vacuum.

You go to a track and sign up for the all motor class with nitrous and see what happens.

lol you missed my points entirly and also, I am not really up for arguing, taking the high road, trust me, my "dumb clubs" are anything but dumb... But you would already have known that.... Just like you knew I play video games.... Or any of the cars I've ran in my past...

I simply don't feel like arguing, you want to believe what you want, fine, there is no changing your mind, so agree tto disagree and have a beer....

P.S.: I know what direct port is...

P.P.S.: Try adding a blower with no tune and tell me how that works out for you....

You see it as you want, to me, Nitrous is no matter of N/A or F/I, it is in a category of its own... That's how I am leaving my statment, disagree if you want..

[TunerTrifecta]

Are you sure YOU didn't draw up that DEI idea in your sig? :blink:

[fightinsk8ers]

Are you sure YOU didn't draw up that DEI idea in your sig? :blink:
haha

[bottled]

x2

Nitrous is pressurized in the bottle which forces the nitrous into the air/fuel mixture. Granted, it isn't the same as a turbo or supercharger, you are still putting it there. I consider nitrous F/I.

To me, all motor is just that, all motor. No power adders like nitrous. Just what your motor is capable of.


so if its all motor no power adders then wouldnt that be stock?

[Krdshrk]

No. With CAI's, Headers, Exhausts, Pulleys, etc - you're not adding power to the engine, you're freeing up restrictions on the engine so that it can produce more power.

NHRA considers N/A cars to be just that - I/H/E, Pulleys, etc.

Power adders are Nitrous, Superchargers and Turbochargers.

[BSeaton]

Are you sure YOU didn't draw up that DEI idea in your sig? :blink:

Uh yea.... I am sure... That was almost funny....

Simply put... Nitrous doesn't consistantly run through your intake... You have to inject it... It is a power adder, but it has nothing to do with N/A or F/I... You can have a Nitrous set up, and be running N/A cause, nitrous is not consistantly in your intake....

Just like how you can run Nitrous on a F/I set up with a S/C or T/C....

Trying to make fun of me or attack my intelligence or lack or or w/e doesn't change the fact Nitrous is NOT F/I.... It only says you are just lame enough to go there...

I agree restriction removers aren't exactly power adders, though a CAI is a restriction remover, it is also a power adder... A proper CAI system not only opens up the air intake, but also moves the intake away from the hot engine allowing cooler air into the engine, hensing the name "COLD AIR intake"... Cold air = denser air, denser air = more oxygen.... more oxygen= more oxygen running through the engine unused, meaning more oxygen in the exhaust, which the O2 semsor detects, and then tells the ECU which tells the fuel system to add more fuel, more fuel balances out the A/F mixture with a higher amount of air and fuel in the cumbustion chamber= more power, but slightly more.... POWER ADDED!!!

But you all can believe what you want and talk all the sh!t you want.... Doesn't change the fact your wrong!!!

[2dot4]

P.P.S.: Try adding a blower with no tune and tell me how that works out for you....


Have been for 7 months. Car runs fine.

[2dot4]

You don't have to believe that nitrous is F/I - I don't really care about that, but it's 100% not N/A. To think so shows ignorance. That just means you're not as familiar with the topic as you imply. That doesn't mean I think you're stupid, btw.

All motors are capable of power beyond their factory limit. By reducing restrictions (i.e. small diameter, maze-like intakes, small diamater exhaust and headers, catalytic converters, relatively low-compression pistons, small inneficient intake manifolds, and restrictive heads), you release that motors potential without actually "Adding" power. All the power produced with those mods is created still by the engine and the natural vacuum it creates...the only difference is that you've eliminated the restrictive parts of the engine and allowed it to breathe freely. That's N/A.

Whether nitrous is F/I or not (I believe it is, along with many others), doesn't really matter, but you can't ever say it's N/A or all motor. That's just silly.

Oh and you're not constantly running nitrous, but I'm not constantly running boost either. The percentage of usage doesn't make a difference - if it's ever used in the powerband, then it qualifies. But like I said - it may or may not be F/I, but it's not N/A at all. Thousands of others and I consider nitrous F/I, and as you can see by the many previous posts, we have excellent reason to believe so. That's all.

Agree to disagree - now where's my beer?! lol

[BSeaton]

Have been for 7 months. Car runs fine.
Great :)

how much PSI? All I can say is I hope you don't lean your system out too much or you will be buying a new engine next.... lean will mean detonation.... I am not so sure how the scion ECU work, todays cars are getting smarter and might be able to run fine, but I know I use to own a 99 Mustang Cobra which was supercharged and I had problems because it needed a tune... I got a tune custom made and sent from SCT, uploaded using an xcaliberator flash tuner, and it helped, but wasn't perfect... I Was running rich, luckily not lean....

You need a dyno to properly tune a car..... And running with out a proper tune will lead you into problems later down the line.... The is a saying, it is cheaper to buy the expensive tune now, then to buy a new engine later.... If it works for you, that's cool.... That suprises me, but your not suppose to do it and I an tell you, Ive seen many engines go to detonation due to people doin exactly what you are...

There was someone in my other club who thought he could run his car off this tune that came with his s/c... That tune was designed to get him to a place where they can give him a better tune and that's all, not to be ran as "the tune", well, needless to say he bought my cobra engine off me after I upgraded....

Same club we had a dude run a 99 Cobra N/A in the 1/4 mile in 9 sec.... He had Nitrous too, and this was down a track, further proof that Nitrous is not F/I (you made reference once to me go to a track with NOS and try to run in the N/A leauge).... He now has his stang turbocharged....

All I can really say is I know Im probably not going to convince you otherwise, you will believe what you will believe, and I honestly didn't come to Scikotics to change your mind, I can care less what you think..... I disagree with you, but honestly it doesn't matter to me what you believe, and I don't really care what sh!t is talked about me... You all don't effect me... So talk all the sh!t you want, believe what you want.... In my opinion.... IT only reflects as to how childish those who talk sh!t are.... As if talking sh!t changed anything about the subject at hand!!!

[BSeaton]

You don't have to believe that nitrous is F/I - I don't really care about that, but it's 100% not N/A. To think so shows ignorance. That just means you're not as familiar with the topic as you imply. That doesn't mean I think you're stupid, btw.

All motors are capable of power beyond their factory limit. By reducing restrictions (i.e. small diameter, maze-like intakes, small diamater exhaust and headers, catalytic converters, relatively low-compression pistons, small inneficient intake manifolds, and restrictive heads), you release that motors potential without actually "Adding" power. All the power produced with those mods is created still by the engine and the natural vacuum it creates...the only difference is that you've eliminated the restrictive parts of the engine and allowed it to breathe freely. That's N/A.

Whether nitrous is F/I or not (I believe it is, along with many others), doesn't really matter, but you can't ever say it's N/A or all motor. That's just silly.

Oh and you're not constantly running nitrous, but I'm not constantly running boost either. The percentage of usage doesn't make a difference - if it's ever used in the powerband, then it qualifies. But like I said - it may or may not be F/I, but it's not N/A at all. Thousands of others and I consider nitrous F/I, and as you can see by the many previous posts, we have excellent reason to believe so. That's all.

Agree to disagree - now where's my beer?! lol

I am not saying Nitrous is all engine or pure N/A either, which is why I said leans more towards N/A, but isn't exactly N/A either.... It just isn't F/I... Asperation deals mostly with how air is pulled (or pushed) into your motor.... Though I get how you all can believe it is F/I, the only reason there is any pressure implied with Nitrous is to send a full shot, the tank is compressed, like an airasol can, you push the button, it sprays out at some amount of pressure, it isn't preussrized for anyother reason.... And Though I don't claim to be a nitrous expert, I personally never ran it, and am semi new to it, I have been researching it for the past year or 2....

And blowers don't boost consistantly, true, but the engine controls your boosting, you don't.... You might be able to throw parts or a tune on to alter how the engine controls your boost, but the engine is what activates your compressor.... Boost may not be constant or consistant, but it will always be there at certain RPMs etc.... Be it by a turbo spooling at certain exhaust pressure which occurs at certain RPM, or a pulley turning a turbine inside a S/C, boost depending how fast the engine is spinning the pulley....

BTW, just to clarify, I appreciate your comment mentioning you don't think I'm stupid etc..... My comments about talking sh!t aren't directed to you, they are vaugly stated due to homeboy's post about "am I sure that DEI idea in my sig wasn't my idea".... And other homeboys laughing at initial homeboys post...

Exactly, as I stated, I am stating my opinion, and I disagree wih you, but we can agree to disagree.... I don't feel like arguing or fighting, won't solve anything, and it seems like arguing our points isnt changing any minds, which means it's not productive speaking.... Pointless.... I can agree to disagree....

Now how about the beer, lol!!!

[2dot4]

nah, no shit talking - just "discussion" lol

I'm running 7.3psi.

The tC uses a MAF system and closed O2 system (i believe it's closed, meaning they work together to sense changes in exhaust composition). Both allow the ECU to tune itself within certain parameters. the ECU can handle up to 8psi untuned is what I've been told. If the ECU determines that the AFR is running too lean, it dumps gas into the engine, preventing detonation. According to my E-Manage, my max duty cycle is 88% so there's plenty of room for more fuel, but those will be replaced in the spring. The worst part is that my gas mileage is gone, and I'm gonna have to replace my 02 sensors if I don't get tuned soon. According to my e-manage, there's nothing dangerous happening so far, just the risk of fouling spark plugs and o2 sensors with my rich mixture.

I agree I need a tune, but the tC can handle my low boost for now, so it's giving me time to save my money and find a decent shop to dyno tune it.

lol, one day my wastegate actuator hose cracked, causing a leak....well obviously the leak prevented my wG spring from opening at 7psi, so I was hitting 10psi....on a stock tune. lol The car had fucking power! It took off like a bat out of hell....for like 30 seconds before my engine flipped out and my check engine like started flashing red, and my car started sputtering like stuttering stanley. lol It was awful! I fixed that shit on the spot, and the car ran like normal...thank GOD! Scared the jesus out of me.

So yeah, the ECU doesn't work on 10psi without a tune lol

[TunerTrifecta]

But you all can believe what you want and talk all the sh!t you want.... Doesn't change the fact your wrong!!!
I believe that this statement right here says that you are not agreeing to disagree...

The joke about the "DEI" thing was just a little funny, ease up...maybe you need a beer.

Eric evidently has more patience than I, because I would've given up by now...

[BSeaton]

I believe that this statement right here says that you are not agreeing to disagree...

The joke about the "DEI" thing was just a little funny, ease up...maybe you need a beer.

Eric evidently has more patience than I, because I would've given up by now...
I agreed, I guess bad wording on my part, sorry...

As far as the DEI thing, funny on who's account, I didn't find it funny, honestly even if you weren't talking about me.... I don't care what people say about me... I'm good, just said something and stood up for myself...

I may need a beer, lo...

[trrbo_tc]

i just had a beer .. woot

[Krdshrk]

.. It's 9:00 in the morning...

[fightinsk8ers]

haha and whats wrong with that?

[TunerTrifecta]

Ugh, the first beer @ 5pm is bad, I don't even want to think about 9am beer...I guess it's 5 o'clock somewhere eh??

[trrbo_tc]

.. It's 9:00 in the morning...

it wasnt 9 am when i had that beer.

i never drink in the morning.. thats wack.

i'll usually start drinking on saturday around 7 ish and stop at 10 or 11 ish ...

:)

i usually dont drink during the week at all ..

:)

[Krdshrk]

"Want a Beer?"
"It's 7:00 in the morning!"
"......... Scotch?"

[fightinsk8ers]

yeah i dont drink till later on in the day but im not gonna say i never had a beer in the morning

[TunerTrifecta]

That's dishushing.

Eric, I'm keeping my tC. I've gotten fucked 3 times now trying to buy a car. I'm done. The tC is here to stay unless some miracle happens and someone sells me a 350z or G35 @ like 13k with less than 35k miles on it lol *dreams on*

[Stu_Gotti]

:shock: Watching this thread!

I wanna see some kits on Scikotics cars, see how they run first, then I'll be looking at possibly scooping this kit just for some fun...

I dont want to go all out on the tC anymore, I got my 135i eyed up for future plans :D

[trrbo_tc]

ill have the kit installed on my car within the next 2 weeks.

[fightinsk8ers]

cant wait to see pics and a dyno sheet!

[rhythmnsmoke]

ill have the kit installed on my car within the next 2 weeks.


You are trying to sell a kit that you have not installed or tried out yourself?:blink:

[trrbo_tc]

iove installed it on 3 other scion tc's & 2 1972 Datsun 510's with KA28 Motors

all 5 car's are running the same exact turbo setup and they're all running perfectly, 3 of the cars are boosting over 10 psi on stock internals with 750cc injectors and greddy emanage systems.

[Krdshrk]

tC with 750cc injectors? The fuel rail can't handle that.

[2dot4]

I've heard of tcs with 750cc injectors, but I didn't hear anything about them upgrading the fuel rail - it's possible they did, but they didn't mention it.

Where can I get a fuel rail that's not a custom one-off number?

[Krdshrk]

AFAIK I've heard that they can take up to 680cc injectors. Check with Sound Performance - they have their fuel rail for their turbo kit. it's a return-style fuel rail.

Also I think someone was making them... he was posting in the tC forum.

[Stu_Gotti]

:lalala: Yeaaa... I'm just watching this for now.. haha!

[TunerTrifecta]

stock fuel rail can be made to hold 880cc injectors, but you won't get nearly the performance out of them. 750cc injectors is rediculous overkill on a tC making anything less than 500whp. Hell 550's should only be at around 75% duty cycle if my math is right...

I think I'm going to build a one-off kit using a Turbonetic GTK450 :) Happy boosting to everyone, and too all a good WOOOSH!

[rhythmnsmoke]

tC with 750cc injectors? The fuel rail can't handle that.


I've heard of tcs with 750cc injectors, but I didn't hear anything about them upgrading the fuel rail - it's possible they did, but they didn't mention it.

Where can I get a fuel rail that's not a custom one-off number?


AFAIK I've heard that they can take up to 680cc injectors. Check with Sound Performance - they have their fuel rail for their turbo kit. it's a return-style fuel rail.

Also I think someone was making them... he was posting in the tC forum.


stock fuel rail can be made to hold 880cc injectors, but you won't get nearly the performance out of them. 750cc injectors is rediculous overkill on a tC making anything less than 500whp. Hell 550's should only be at around 75% duty cycle if my math is right...

I think I'm going to build a one-off kit using a Turbonetic GTK450 :) Happy boosting to everyone, and too all a good WOOOSH!




That's when you come talk to the Nashville Chapter. Mike (the guy you mentioned on SL making fuel rails), is a Nashville Scikotics member. Guys just swing over here if you want to pick up a new fuel rail.

Rcurry23 is his Scikotics Screen name. And it's already in working order on J3ST3R's car. Here is the thread of the first working Fuel rail from Mike on Brian (J3ST3R)'s car.

http://www.scikotics.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=575334


Turbonetics GT-K 550 was installed last night, and car was dynoed. Car made great power and has a solid tune on it, the turbo spooled 1300rpm earlier than the SPA did. The intake tract really is the bottlneck at this point, we are still using the stock intake and T.B. but car still made 540+whp, and we really cant make anymore with the stock intake in there. Really we dont want to try anyway since the engine is not sleeved. It looks like for everyday driving we will be at 12-16psi of boost and probably around 380-400whp, and 410ish on the torque! Oh yeah...and the car is STILL scheduled to be back this Saturday!!!

542.28whp
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j58/bsowde/sowdersname.jpg

Rpms are not displayed because I guess the rpm sensor interferred with the Hydra, but all runs were taken from 7200-7500rpms, and boost was between 25-28. and AFR right around 11.8. Video should be up sometime this evening!!

[fightinsk8ers]

wow tahts alotta power

[TunerTrifecta]

That tc is fucking bad ass. Period. GTK turbo's FTW.

[fightinsk8ers]

yeah no sh*t

[Butters]

are we still talking bout if nitrous is a F/I or are we done with that subject? if we are why dont you make a thread in the discussion with this cause that is very knowledgable info there.


sorry edited: reason i ask is cause im a sales rep for Nitrous Express and i thought i would let you know what i know.

[TunerTrifecta]

wrong thread lol, the thread you're thinking of was started by 2dot4 of the STL chapter, and was titled something like "FUCK! I'm irritated!! (turbo talk)"

[Butters]

wrong thread lol, the thread you're thinking of was started by 2dot4 of the STL chapter, and was titled something like "FUCK! I'm irritated!! (turbo talk)"

well on page 2 and 3 there was talk of if nitrous was f/i or not in this thread

[TunerTrifecta]

oh :D my bad. This IS the thread I was thinking of haha

[2dot4]

so you think nitrous is F/I, butters? or no

[TunerTrifecta]

lol eric quit stirring the pot!

[Butters]

so you think nitrous is F/I, butters? or no


i think both.

from what i know the air is made up of 60% nitrogen and 30% oxygen with others but nitrous has that but since its super cold the particles are more close together. so when the engine sucks it in it sucks in the same amount of air with nitrous but since the nitrous is super cooled it warms up in the cylinder and expands. and with turbo and super you just forcing air into the engine that is the same temp as outside or lil colder. cause i could get dry ice and make a champer for my intake to pull air from the chamber that has dry ice and get more power but would you call that forced induction? i dont. that what your doing with nitrous. but it has the same concept at putting more air into the engine. so thats why i say both. and probably a reason why nitrous is its own thing like someone said.

i hope that helps from what i know of nitrous.

[THansenite]

Personally, I consider nitrous F/I. My reasoning is that stored nitrous is pressurized. If it wasn't, nothing would happen when the solenoid was switched. Because it is pressurized, when the solenoid is opened, nitrous is FORCED into the engine. I see N/A as an engine using only the air it sucks in by itself for power. Anything else that forces air into the engine or forces extra chemicals into the air stream, I consider F/I. Not sure if this is 100% correct or not, but it is how I feel about the subject. :up:

[Butters]

edited from what i posted. i found something that explains better to what i was saying. this is why i say both. your not making manifold pressure but since your craming more air into the cylinder its a form of boost.

Nitrous Oxide or N2O adds power in two ways. Firstly, nitrous is 33 percent oxygen by volume. In contrast the air we breathe is only 21 percent oxygen. So injecting a shot of N2O into the intake charge of air increases the percentage of oxygen that is entering the cylinder. Secondly, nitrous is injected from a pressurized bottle. As gasses are taken from high pressure to a lower pressure their volume increases and their temperature drops. When nitrous leaves the injector nozzle it is typically below 0 degrees Centigrade. Lower air temperatures yield another benefit for an engine, greater mass of air. As air cools it becomes more dense so a greater mass can fit into the same space. So when nitrous is injected, the percentage of oxygen in the intake air stream increases, AND, the amount of air entering the cylinder also increases due to the colder intake air temps. While nitrous does not produce positive intake manifold pressure, it does cram more oxygen into the cylinder and is therefore considered a form of boost.

hope this helps in solving the discrepancy

[2dot4]

so all in all - nitrous forces more than the normal amount of air into the engine, creating substantial power. Nitrous does the same thing a turbo does, minus the turbo. That's why nitrous is a form of F/I.

I want to see a compression test on an engine with nitrous vs that same engine without nitrous vs that same motor with a turbo. I bet the nitrous and turbo are creating the same compression...and we all know power comes from compression, fuel and air.

[Krdshrk]

Yes, Nitrous is F/I :D

[Butters]

so all in all - nitrous forces more than the normal amount of air into the engine, creating substantial power. Nitrous does the same thing a turbo does, minus the turbo. That's why nitrous is a form of F/I.

I want to see a compression test on an engine with nitrous vs that same engine without nitrous vs that same motor with a turbo. I bet the nitrous and turbo are creating the same compression...and we all know power comes from compression, fuel and air.


you got most of it but nitrous doesnt create manifold pressure and isnt super hot when its compressed only similarity they both have is they have more air into a cylinder creating boost thats the only similarity. from what i read and know. so its kind of forced and yet kindof not. does that make sense?

how you should classify it as a F/I is by stating does it create boost that way you can win the argument.:mrblue:

heres a link that i found and its pretty accurate.
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/211_fall2002.web.dir/David_Giessel/boost.html

but thats why i think it is but yet it isnt. one main similarity it creates boost but yet it dont have the some things as a super or turbo so thats why i say its lil of both.

[TunerTrifecta]

oh god...lets not start this argument again!

[2dot4]

manifold pressure is only a byproduct of turbo and s/c...it doesn't affect hp.

The pressure in the cylinder is what matters and nitrous and turbo both increase combustion pressure significantly using air, producing power. They both do the same thing inside the combustion chamber, just by different means. N/A mods increase the efficiency of the motor, releasing hp, not adding it. When air is "added" it's F/I. When air is drawn in naturally, it's N/A - I believe nitrous to be F/I for that exact reason.

And Brandon - I'm bored! Plus, this guy isn't as bull-headed as the others, so it's staying a discussion, and not escalating to an argument. I'm enjoying the discussion.

[TunerTrifecta]

I'm bored too! But, I don't resort to old "discussions" for entertainment lol. I play video games. Especially since I've had Devil May Cry 4 since last Friday, and it wasn't supposed to come out till tomorrow. Gotta love when game places fuck up your pre-order.

[2dot4]

Brandon, that's like super illegal lol

I worked at Hollywood Video back in the day and the pre-release DVDs have a huge sticker on the side with the federal statute claiming severe punishment for selling a DVD before it's release date...like ridiculously sever punishment - up to $100k in fines, possible jail time - it's nuts.

That game place is going down! I called SWAT!

lol

[TunerTrifecta]

eh w/e, I don't give a shit. The dude actually called me LAST tuesday and told me on my voicemail that it came in a week early and I could come get it whenever. Went up there Friday and a different dude was there and was like uhhh no. And I was like UHHHH BULLSHIT--I drove all the way the fuck out here (galleria) and you're gonna tell me no? You better call the dude and find something out to do!

turns out they gave me the game lol.

Ok so it didn't really go down like that but that was the general gist of it lol. w00t for being illegal!

[Butters]

manifold pressure is only a byproduct of turbo and s/c...it doesn't affect hp.

The pressure in the cylinder is what matters and nitrous and turbo both increase combustion pressure significantly using air, producing power. They both do the same thing inside the combustion chamber, just by different means. N/A mods increase the efficiency of the motor, releasing hp, not adding it. When air is "added" it's F/I. When air is drawn in naturally, it's N/A - I believe nitrous to be F/I for that exact reason.

And Brandon - I'm bored! Plus, this guy isn't as bull-headed as the others, so it's staying a discussion, and not escalating to an argument. I'm enjoying the discussion.

but see if you have manifold pressure doesnt that mean it is getting forced into the engine? nitrous it dont. the engine is just sucking it in as much as it can its using the power to pull air still but as turbo and super its getting pushed in. thats why they say manifold pressure. cause the engine doesnt have to pull all the nitrous through.

nitrous gets drawn in too. lol. the engine doesnt have to suck it in. nitrous gets injected like a fuel injector and the engine tends not to get all of the fuel but gets most of it. but this is a main arguement i have read. i wanna know your opinion. peoples meaning to forced inductions are all different right? on wikipedia how they define it, Nitrous isnt clasified in it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_induction

there def is compressing air into the cylinder. nitrous gets drawn mainly like fuel does. does fuel get drawn into the engine or is it forced into it In your opinion?

yeah im trying not to argue and im at work bored too. im both sides on this so i agree but yet i dont on this case. if it escalating i will just respond and say ok to just drop it. plus im learning more so i like this.

[Krazylowgsx]

ok... a few things.. to me (and i may be wrong) this looks like you bought a bunch of stuff off Ebay and had some ic pipes made, and your calling it a turbo kit. i highly doubt that turbo will support 325whp at the normal boost levels that most people run (8-12psi). the intercooler and manifold are deffinitly Ebay items, and the bov, and WG just look like japan knock offs. i didn't see a pic of a management or injectors popsted here.. maybe they are in your photobucket, idk. i personally wouldn't use anything that was a knock off when installing a turbo kit on my car, but thats just me!

[2dot4]

That was random and pretty fuckin rude.

It's not your car so don't worry about it.

[TunerTrifecta]

^^^ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING! bahahahahahahah.......NEXT!!! lmfao. Gotta love Eric--short, sweet, and to the point.

Post edited for my retardation.

[Krazylowgsx]

yeah I guess your right. I'm a retard and don't know WTF I'm talking about! I'll leave it at that and you guys enjoy your "starter" turbo kit.

[Krdshrk]

Um... the comment was towards the original post - the "starter turbo kit" that's being put together, not Eric's car. However, having not seen much from trrbo_tc except his issues and inexperience (plus the fact he has no tuning or numbers yet), I'm still leaning towards this being a "generic eBay-style kit" myself... I'm still on Krazylowgsx's side at the moment.

My opinon can change though - once we get real tuning and dyno sheets + a reliability report after 6 months of hard driving.

[TunerTrifecta]

*bows* post retracted, sorry, I thought it was directed at Eric.

I agree with the aforementioned changes in perspective lol. The original post does look somewhat ebay-ish, but it's cheap and it'll probably work for what most people want...turbo SOUND.

[2dot4]

yeah I guess your right. I'm a retard and don't know WTF I'm talking about! I'll leave it at that and you guys enjoy your "starter" turbo kit.

No, you opened your mouth and spouted off ignorance for no reason. Making you a douchebag...not necessarily a retard.

[THansenite]

No, you opened your mouth and spouted off ignorance for no reason. Making you a douchebag...not necessarily a retard.

LOL, Clay is far from a douchebag. You may want to listen to what he says though. This guy has a supercharged xB (and one of the nicest looking in the US), his wife has a very nice turboed tC, and I believe he is building a 500+ horsepower tC in his garage. This guy knows a little bit about F/I. I agree with him, the original kit looks like a eBay kit.

And what you said about people wanting a turbo for sound may be correct, they are the fanboys that can't afford a turbo. The people that actually buy turbos do so for the performance gains, the sound is just a byproduct.

[2dot4]

This guy knows a little bit about F/I. I agree with him, the original kit looks like a eBay kit.

You're missing the point - he decided to trash on Mike's turbo kit because it was inexpensive.

And I could give dick less about what cars he has or what he does off the board - he wanted to trash on someone else's choices on here because he's the "king of f/i" I guess and needed to feel better about himself - qualifying him for douchebag status.

Remember rule number 2? don't be an asshole.

[THansenite]

You're missing the point - he decided to trash on Mike's turbo kit because it was inexpensive.

And I could give dick less about what cars he has or what he does off the board - he wanted to trash on someone else's choices on here because he's the "king of f/i" I guess and needed to feel better about himself - qualifying him for douchebag status.

Remember rule number 2? don't be an asshole.

He didn't talk trash about it. He simply said that they looked like eBay and knockoff parts. When it comes to dealing with an engine, that is the kind of stuff people need to know. He never trashed the kit, he just simply stated his opinion of the kit. I have yet to see numbers, but if this kit can support over 325 or however many horsepower, I am sure Clay will concede his argument in that area. However, until there is proof, I will trust his view that the kit won't hit those numbers.

From what I have seen lately, you should take a few breaths before replying in a few of the threads. You are getting really close to going over the line on rule number 2 yourself man.

[2dot4]

he just came across as an asshole in his post.

I'm done - I'm not interested in bitching. I just don't appreciate random ignorant comments.

Oh, and to clear things up - he bought the kit from a local shop - not ebay. So Mike isn't the one actually selling or shipping the kits - he's just providing a link between the club and the shop. It's a $1500 kit - you can't expect turbonetics quality.

[Nebster]

couldn't the shop get it from ebay? i've seen that done more than once

oh and if you can't expect turbonetics quality what can you expect, turbonetics is one of the least reliable kits on the market right now with seals going bad

[2dot4]

I apologize for my bad analogy - you get the idea, regardless.

[Nebster]

hate to do this bro
wastegate
http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/d4/c6/6dc4_1.JPG - $148.95
lines
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/water-oil-line-kit-t25-t28-gt40-16g-20g-turbo-charger_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33742QQihZ008QQ itemZ180215100064QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW - $120
mani
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/05-07-scion-tc-2azfe-t3-2-4L-cast-turbo-manifold_W0QQitemZ320217444202QQcmdZViewItem?hash= item320217444202 - $180
intercooler kit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/godspeed-03-04-05-06-07-scion-tc-intercooler-kit_W0QQitemZ180215384042QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 80215384042 - $450
bov
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turbo-TYPE-RS-BOV-Blow-off-Adapter-pipe-3_W0QQitemZ230220666568QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230 220666568 - $40
turbo
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TD05-BIG-16G-Turbo-Turbocharger-Eclipse-Talon-EVO_W0QQitemZ290204228436QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item2 90204228436 - $225
fuel pressure regulator
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-Chrome-fuel-pressure-regulator_W0QQitemZ160206905591QQcmdZViewItem?hash =item160206905591 - $40

so total:
$1205 + shipping. seems like your buddy is just trying to sell ebay parts and make a profit.

[2dot4]

it's not mike's kit - it's a local shop's kit in LA. Mike's just taking the orders for them. Offering the kit to people who can't afford big name kits. Trying to be a nice guy. I guess that doesn't matter anymore.

and none of those parts are the same as the ones in the OP.

Fuck it - say what you want. I'm done trying to be a friend.

[Nebster]

no its not when you're selling shitty parts to try and make a quick buck

[TunerTrifecta]

Ok seriously, Ben, and Tony, you're BOTH being ass holes. Tony, I'm sure I'll get a PM about this already, so i may as well finish saying what I gotta say and get it all out.

Eric's right, Mr. "I have a big bad turbo tC and a s/c xb" was being a cock-munch in his posted, and was belittling the turbo kit Mike has provided info for. If you REALLY want to talk turbo cars, I'll sit here and talk turbo cars with you. I personally owned and built a 90 turbo supra that was running mid-high 12's. I've helped my dad build an 87 Grand National that's running high 9's low 10's running around 750whp @ 28psi. Honestly, your super dee duper s/c xB doesn't impress me.

Eric has ALSO stated that it is NOT something that Mike is putting together, but simply a shop whom Mike is providing to be the middle man for. If he's making a buck doing so, good for him.

Ben, then you have to come in and try to belittle it some more by posting links to ebay parts that don't even match up. Maybe you should look before you post.

"When it comes to dealing with an engine", people need to know hardcore FACT, not someones shitty opinion, or someone's shitty opinion and their nutswinger's opinion. You obviously have no knowledge on the topic at hand or you would've posted it, Tony. Thusly making you a nutswinger by siding with Mr. "I have a big bad turbo tC and a s/c xB" without using your own knowledge.

Eric, if stupid bullshit arguments like this are why you left STLScions, then I can see why you did so.

Honestly, I'm out of here, I really don't feel like getting banned. Enjoy.

[Nebster]

Ben, then you have to come in and try to belittle it some more by posting links to ebay parts that don't even match up. Maybe you should look before you post.


the only one that doesn't match up is the turbo just because they don't have any externally gated 16g's on there right now but they all go for around the same price. look at everything i posted, they're all identical pieces even to the welding on the intercooler pipes. everythings the same, why would i post something unless i was 100% sure that people were being scammed

[Butters]

the only one that doesn't match up is the turbo just because they don't have any externally gated 16g's on there right now but they all go for around the same price. look at everything i posted, they're all identical pieces even to the welding on the intercooler pipes. everythings the same, why would i post something unless i was 100% sure that people were being scammed

ok i know i shouldnt butt in but i was looking at the kit and it does look ebay. everything looks almost exact from what ben posted. I sent the pic that Mike posted to a friend that works as a engineer in japan to see if he has seen it too. i havent heard back yet. but it is good to know if its cheap.

i bought a brand new turbo off ebay to put in my supra but i sent it to hypermax(http://www.gohypermax.com/) and they told me the turbo was fucked. they said the shaft was unbalanced and exhaust side of the turbo was not made right. so i think clay was trying to inform people but in a different way by saying a "cheap ebay" one thing with turbos i know dont buy cheap buy a well known brand that has been fully tested.

[THansenite]

Don't worry, I have knowledge on Scion turbos. I have been studying forced induction on Scions since people started turboing them. I have studied them so I could make the best decision when it came to choosing my turbo. But that is neither here nor there.

The real point is that if you come on the site selling or representing a product being sold, you need to be prepared for criticism. The truth is that Ben showed proof this is an eBay kit. I have yet to see any dyno sheets proving the claims of this kit. No hard data has been provided to show this kit can do what is being claimed of it.

Because of that, I am locking this thread. If the original poster wants to put up a new post with updated information, feel free. Just be sure to back up the claims and be prepared for some criticism. If you don't want any criticism, a public forum probably isn't the best place to post these kits. Instead of getting defensive about every little coment made, people should respond with facts and data to back up the claims.

CLOSED!