Intake

[cu0ngsayz]

like the description says i was wondering what intake gives more gains... aem, bomz, etc. thanks for yalls help

[FrankenScion]

Moved to tC section for more exposure.

[Nebster]

injen.... go with it. i really want to right now but money is tight with the aquizition of new rims / tires. THere are places you can get it for around 230 bucks shipped on SL. Not sure what deals with can get with scikotics tho

[FrankenScion]

Check out the Scikotics Supporters section before you buy anything, there are a lot of good discounts.

http://www.scikotics.com/viewforum.php?f=28

[whatmovesu]

do they make an HKS intake for the tC's

[marinotc]

I'd go with the Injen. i have it and i love it. i believe HKS just came out with one but i'm pretty sure it's only a short ram. not worth it IMO

[Anonymous]

I reccomend Injen also .. According to them its rated to give 12hp (I dont know how tru that is), but I love it. Had 1 on my celica and now again on th C its a great intake..

[Krdshrk]

Injen gives about 8 when dyno tested. Highest gains for a tC Intake.

[whatmovesu]

Has anybody tested the HKS versus the injen. Reason I am saying cause I have tried both and the AEM on an xB and my butt dyno tell me that the HKS is the best of the three.

[Krdshrk]

There is no HKS intake for the tC. The only ones are:
Injen
TRD
AEM
Weapon-R
Fujita F5
Umnitza (Simota) CF Short Ram

[whatmovesu]

thank you for clarifying it up Krdshrk

[bignoog1]

I bought the Injen intake but only after looking all around for as much info as possible. If you go to scionlife they have a full dyno compare for all of the intakes.

[lil_babie_tearz]

INJEN!!! I have INJEN!!!

[cu0ngsayz]

i was wdonering about weapon r but i dont know.... which one sound better and good gains for the buck?

[cu0ngsayz]

i was wdonering about weapon r but i dont know.... which one sound better and good gains for the buck?

[fsu1dolfan]

i was wdonering about weapon r but i dont know.... which one sound better and good gains for the buck?

To be honest with you.....i dont know about weapon R but i get many compliments about how my Injen sounds and looks (polished black very OEM looking) plus the gains are monumental compaired to a stock airbox....also a side note....i had it a short ram setup for a while when i first got it and it sounded good but when i changed it to full CAI the different in power was very noticable!!!

My vote Injen Full CAI not short ram!!!!

[sarsippius]

Injen! Sounds great, looks nice. Plus everyone here is recommending it. I love mine.

[Krdshrk]

The weapon-r has ruined people's engines due to metal shavings left inside the intake. I've only heard of 1 incident but still, I don't trust Monster Motorworks/Weapon-R.

The BEST looking intake IMO is the Umnitza that Myself and Eddnog have. Gain-wise, it's not the best... but if you replace the stock piping you'll get similar gains like the others.

[Nebster]

actually there is a hks intake but its just a short ram. no cai

[Nebster]

bump, after quick reading i found this.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=127614

i'm going to e-mail johnny with the massive list if discounts and figure out what i can get it for. i'll probably buy it.

[cu0ngsayz]

ok sooo can we get a d/c on the intake?

[Nebster]

well we get a discount on hks products so i think we can probably get a discount on the intake.

[Krdshrk]

Useless without pics of the HKS.

[cu0ngsayz]

you think we can get one on the injen?

[Nebster]

discount. probably talk to johny

[cu0ngsayz]

discount. probably talk to johny

so whos john? can i get his sn or something thanks

[fmtc06]

i have the hks intake...its def worth the money imo..it is a cold air intake..it is 3 pipes and the filter sits inside the front bumper..the only part of the stock intake it uses is the rubber tube from the throttle body to the maf..the same piece used for the arc box..sounds good and perfromance is good.. :up:

[aZepolyn]

ask and ye shall recieve:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/fluxmr2spyder/DSC02550.jpg

So that's the HKS. definately smaller diameter tube/piping. Only goes as far as the MAF, then the stock intake parts take over. According to the current HKS intake retailers, it goes for the same as the AEM and Injen, but doesn't replace all the parts AEM and Injen repalce.... so basically paying equal price for half the parts .. IMO

On the flip side of that, it's not posted on the HKS website as of yet, and the retail pictures are the generic picture of their kit. I wonder if the kit for sale is actually the bolt on for F/I kits?

fmtc06 could you ellaborate on yours? Pictures and where you got it maybe?

[fmtc06]

i bougt it from andy at hpautoworks...the picture u have is pretty close to what it looks like..the fitment is absolutely perfect...hks quality is unbeatable as well...its for the n/a engines..the one they used on the s/c one i think they had to modify but not 100% sure..my car is na i wish it was s/c lol..i think the intake is on back order like everywhere..i called a ton of places and got lucky that hpautoworks had one..270 shipped for it..a couple other sites had it for cheaper but when he said he had it in stock i was willing to pay the extra $20 to be one of the first people to have this intake..i will try to get pics up soon..

[aZepolyn]

WoW
270?

can't see how the HKS could be any better than the Injen ... except that since it uses the stock connectors between the MAF and the Throttle, there probably isnt as much issue w/ the mounting brackets and bolts breaking because the stock plastic and rubber is going to give move than a metal pipe. just not sure saving the mounting brackets is wotht hat much money.

Looks good though, I dont want to knock it, but it just doesn't seem comparible to me.

[fmtc06]

270 isnt too bad when u look at the prices hks intakes for other cars..the fit is superb..i know the injen intake performs well but im personally not a fan of injen products..the only other intake i considered was the top fuel 1000 power chamber..

[Krdshrk]

$270 for an intake that DOESN'T replace the stock tubing from the MAF back?! That's horrible...

The piece of piping from the MAF back to the throttle body is the most important piece - the stock piping soaks heat like a mofo... that's the piece that needs the most replacement! The HKS is WORTHLESS for the price in my book.

I only paid $200 shipped for my Umnitza CF Intake... and it looks a damn sight better!

[Anonymous]

I paid $220 shipped for my Injen. Something doesnt sound right if your paying $270. and not replacing the stock tubing might as well save your money and not even buy an intake...

[fmtc06]

id take hks over any other brand no matter what the price..hks products are unbeatable in quality :guns:

[Krdshrk]

It might have good production quality but how good will the performance gains be if you still use the stock rubber piping that soaks heat?! Remember.... a COLD air intake sucks in Cold air from outside the engine compartment.... if it heats up in the piping due to heatsoak, it's not quite so cold anymore!

[aZepolyn]

$270 for an intake that DOESN'T replace the stock tubing from the MAF back?! That's horrible...

The piece of piping from the MAF back to the throttle body is the most important piece - the stock piping soaks heat like a mofo... that's the piece that needs the most replacement! The HKS is WORTHLESS for the price in my book.

I only paid $200 shipped for my Umnitza CF Intake... and it looks a damn sight better!

that pretty much sums up what I was saying, but it came across a little different :pilot:

All the same, HKS products are good, I won't deny it, but Injen does very good work as well, don't discredit them. Personally, I wish Injen would finish off the cat-back, but I'd really rather have an Injen header back, which I don't see happening. Then I'd have me complete Injen intake and exhaust :up: :up: :up:

[fmtc06]

$270 for an intake that DOESN'T replace the stock tubing from the MAF back?! That's horrible...

The piece of piping from the MAF back to the throttle body is the most important piece - the stock piping soaks heat like a mofo... that's the piece that needs the most replacement! The HKS is WORTHLESS for the price in my book.

I only paid $200 shipped for my Umnitza CF Intake... and it looks a damn sight better!

$200 shipd for basically just a filer inside carbon fiber :rofl2: i would never put that thing on my car...pry get more performance out of the trd filter :up:

[_Keith_]

Umnitza intake does not gain HP untill about 4500 rpm... and before that its less hp then stock.. I was there dyno car. Injen all the way... And if you guys wanna setup a group buy can probally do it. Let me know

[Nebster]

hmmm a gb? how much?

[Krdshrk]

I know the Umnitza doesn't do anything until the top end... but wait 'till I change out the stock piping (which the HKS leaves on.... UGH!)... it'll make it better!

[fmtc06]

save ur money from buying the piping and buy a better intake.. :lol:

[Krdshrk]

New intake = $250+

New piping = $100. No thanks. I like to be decently unique with the Umnitza intake..

[aZepolyn]

save ur money from buying the piping and buy a better intake.. :lol:


that sounds kinda weird comin from you right about now since neither of you have full piping on your intakes lol

:crazy: :pilot:

[fmtc06]

you can do whatever u want to that umnitza and it will still be garbage..put the stock back on

[aZepolyn]

ooo ... man, thats rough. someone get the knife out of nick's back.

really, performance wise neither is a top performer, so I'm not sure what the argument is here. Umnitza is essencially a partial short ram replacement, and the HKS is a partial CAI replacement, neither company replaced the full oem intake, so......whats the issue here?

I got a question for ya tho, what's long, black, and hard from base to tip? My injen intake of course... :rofl: :rofl2:



:up:

[fsu1dolfan]

I paid $220 shipped for my Injen. Something doesnt sound right if your paying $270. and not replacing the stock tubing might as well save your money and not even buy an intake...


Same here...Injen all the way...i dont like the fact the you still use some of the stock piping for the HKS...doesnt make much sense???

[Krdshrk]

I gotta say though, a Black CF Intake head on the stock Black piping looks a damn sight better than a shiny metal tube sticking out of it!

[fmtc06]

hks is still new...i dunno anyone n/athat dynoed it yet..most people never seen it in person let alone have it on their car..im one of the first to have it..the only one i seen dynoed was the s/c one so how would it be possible to say injen > hks?? anyway no intake isnt goin to throw u back in the seat :P

[eddiemoney]

Im so glad i converted my CAI to a short ram Injen, we had wicked storms around here this week and I can't tell you how many of my buddies heard gurgle noises from their engines.
Not good. . . .Not good

[kanchi]

How about the AEM? I know they made the DYNO PROVEN highest gains out of civics with their CAI. And talk about sleeper, in my silver TC with the gray piping, can't get much better than that :zzz: . Plus points @ shows for staying consistant with products (DC strut tower brace, DC header, AEM oil cap, AEM battery tiedown, etc.) Does anyone else have an AEM? Am I the only one? Guess I'm just old school.

BTW the Fujita intake is made by one of the original co-owners of Injen, who actually shares many designs (but with Fujita you get a bag, hat, & liscence plate frame WOO HOO!). I got a friend with one of those but we haven't raced yet to see which is better...will let you know....

-K-

[eddiemoney]

Dyno proven by who would be my first question.

Any CAI will provide little to no noticeable gain on a naturally aspirated tC engine. In fact, many CAI systems provide worse performance than factory.

[Krdshrk]

My intake piping's in! Woohoo! Spectre PowerAdder piping to go along with my Umnitza CF Short ram

[eddiemoney]

Pics?

[whatmovesu]

can't wait to see.

[kanchi]

The article was in a 2003 issue of SCC (Sport Compact Car) on a 2000 Civic SI. Granted it was a civic but they did comapre against all other major brands, Injen, HKS, Bomz, DC's DAC, Tenzo, and I think a couple others. And if they're the best in that competitive of a market, then they've got my business!

I talked with a rep last year down @ the SEMA show about why they hadn't released it yet and they said they had been waiting for CARB exemption (they still haven't got it I guess, so supposedly they sell it with a disclaimer).

I do agree with you, at low end, most CAI's do not help HP, but they do however help torque, especially in the upper ranges. I think there are a lot better ways to spend $200 on a TC (like the s-pipe), but for my money an AEM is the only one that would touch my car.

-K-

[Krdshrk]

The article was in a 2003 issue of SCC (Sport Compact Car) on a 2000 Civic SI. Granted it was a civic but they did comapre against all other major brands, Injen, HKS, Bomz, DC's DAC, Tenzo, and I think a couple others. And if they're the best in that competitive of a market, then they've got my business!

Here's where you're going wrong - it's an entirely different car, man. Just because they're the best on a Honda doesn't mean they're the best on a Scion/Toyota car... That just means they've put more money in on Honda.

I'll only believe 3rd party Dyno tests.. there was a thread on SL that dynoed the tC intakes and found that the Injen gives the best gains.

As for my intake piping.. I haven't put it together yet... but here's a pic:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/krdshrk/Car/spectre.jpg

[aZepolyn]

wow! you're going to put all those dvd's in your intake too? :pilot:

[kanchi]

Again, yes the test is on a Civic, I am not arguing that.

What I am saying is if they put that much time into being the best, then they might have something going for them, and their intake might be worth a look. Besides, as stated in the link below, AEM was good enough for TRD to work with on their intake for the TC, see for your self...

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=115374


-Z-

[aZepolyn]

thats fine, in the end, AEM and Injen are probably the two most notable manufacturers for our intakes. Injen was tested by a 3rd party, a shop that dyno's and sells the intakes. They wanted to find out which one was most gains. We aren't discrediting the AEM at all, simply stating that while AEM may be the premier Civic CAI, Injen is the premier tC CAI....but at the same time we've really only seen 1 solid test that went across all the available intakes, at the time.

I don't know enough about the xA's and xB's, but I wouldn't be surprised is AEM makes the best one there... I have no idea though. All the same, you can't forget K&N has been known for making damn good intakes also, all be it different applications also. I think their truck and SUV intakes are top notch, while their japa import versions are ... well ... lacking ....

[Krdshrk]

Nope - that Initial D Live Action DVD gets played on my DVD Touchscreen HU ;)

TRD/AEM were trying to get their intake to be CARB legal... but you know that'll never happen.

[aZepolyn]

well .. if not for the 2 or 3 states with strict laws regarding emissions and inspections, we might have a couple CARB approved intakes ...

California .. I'm lookin at you!

[Nebster]

eddies wrong, in fact the injen cai provides around 12 whp and much better gas milage.


I can't wait to see pics of it on the car

[eddiemoney]

eddies wrong, in fact the injen cai provides around 12 whp and much better gas milage.
:ponder:

I don't mean to argue, I just want to make sure everyone is educated. I see this discussion a lot and I think we need to get a little more descriptive on what you are getting with your "power increase", so let me me get a little more technical for a minute. The tc's stock intake system, mildly restrictive in nature actually seems to be well tuned for a broad power band with good mid range response and low end torque. If you lower your intake temp make more HP. That is a given. The trick is how to lower intake temps without affecting intake air pressure and velocity. Most CAIs are only drawing air that is a few degrees cooler than stock, and by the time the air has made it to the intake manifold, heat soak has raised the temp a few degrees, often back to stock or higher. In addition, most CAI systems require extended piping lengths to draw in a "cooler" gasp of air. This long, and often wider-than-stock diameter piping (which usually includes restrictive bends) results in a pressure loss and slower intake velocity. What does this mean??? Well, although the air may be cooler it is less dense and you won't be cramming as much air into cylinders as the stock system. If you properaly design and tune an intake system, you can make significant power gains, but where you may ask only high end, everything else gets muddled and screwed up. A properaly desinged system should give consitent power increases all the way up.

Now lets move on to a more important idea, DYNO proven results. Most manufacturers market their intakes by showing dyno proven results. These show an increase over stock. Now lets think about a dyno for a second, a hood open, fan blowing in test. . . that's not representative of real life, and not a fair comparison to the OEM setup. Until I see a real life example, ie trapspeed on a 1/8 or 1.4 mile track, I will not believe any power claims. Now we can move on, the couple of hp power increase is not anything amazing. Any system that is less restrictive than stock will make a higher PEAK HP number. Just attach a AEM or K&N filter head to your throttle body and you'll get big power gains at the top end..but your low end, mid range, and air fuel ratio will be a mess! All in all, that's what really matters!!

To properly take advantage of a well designed intake system that improves horsepower and torque thoughout the entire power band without sacrificing mid range power will need a good valve and ignition timing centered around the intake, this isn't something any manufacturere offers.

Why do I run injen, the sound, nothing more, i don't expect anything more, and I suggest you do the same.

[aZepolyn]

bare with me a moent :offtopic:



I don't mean to argue, I just want to make sure everyone is education.

just thought that was a little funny. :pilot:



that sums up the whole intake debate. there is no debate, they all do the same damn thing. The only thing I might add, Dyno tests ... in order to be able to judge the increase from one setup to another, have to be very precise. Changes that will typically make these rather unreliable are temperature of the air, moisture in the air, the engine temp and breakin, and the installed part break in.... from what I've seen.

Now since most every dyno I've ever seen is essencially like eddie said ... hood open (likely bc the computer is hooked up under the hood), fan blowing (to simulate the car moving), but also it's generally located in a garage (where climate control is harder to maintain). From experience my intake isntallation took a couple hours. Experienced installer, I can see it taking 20 minutes. So figure 15-45 minutes to change out each intake, maybe even 5-10 minutes to let the engine cool down before they can touch it. So ... in the course of an hour ... what happens? Most likely air temperature is going to change, it's hard to make sure the engine is at the exact same temperature also when testing multiple parts, unless you sit it over night.

Now I'm not educated in any of this, just observations, and almost what appears to be the obvious.

To make a truly accurate comparison, you probably need to dyno each of these parts in a lab with access to a wind tunnel.... expensive expensive.

But the Injen looks better anyway, so why would you buy any other?!

[aZepolyn]

Then there's also the case where they test one or two here, and one or two there ... in addition to all the present changes, you have to remember each different Dyno is going to measure differently, some are notorious for providing higher numbers, some lower numbers. 10hp incrase here on Dyno system 1 equal out to a 5hp increase over there on Dyno system 2.

[eddiemoney]

I don't mean to argue, I just want to make sure everyone is education.

just thought that was a little funny. :pilot:


Damnit. . . .I went back and added that comment because I didn't want to hurt any feelings and didn't proof it. . . .people are allowed to have their opinions. . .

It is corrected now :P

[eddiemoney]

BTW, i do love the look of my black injen, that's a big seller too

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a275/EddieMoney/IMG_4484.jpg

[aZepolyn]

:loveit:
I got mine in black too, but did the full CAI. It looks nice, most I talk to like it alot. Takes them a second to find it bc you obviously don't see the fat cone filter. I think the chrome stands out WAY too much, takes away from the rest of the engine ... which btw the tC's have very nice engine bays if you keep them clean.

[eddiemoney]

My CAI banged against the fender opening. . . .engine rocks too much. I had an AEM bypass that fit the piping, but it added about 1 inch of length to the injen kit, causing the injen not to fit. I was going to put it there because we get a lot of storms and heavy rain and i wanted to protect my engine. I was glad I switched to SRI because not 2 days after I switched we got a wicked storm and my buddy drowned out his civic with a CAI, im just lucky I guess.

[kanchi]

Sorry too, not trying to start anything either, just wondering if anyone had looked @ AEM, and if there was any sort of side-by-side.

-K-

[eddiemoney]

Its the engine that moves, not the intake.

[Krdshrk]

It's finished! Finally!

Bad pic - my regular camera is brokeded....
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/krdshrk/Car/GFI.jpg

[aLTeZZa78218]

nicely done

[Krdshrk]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/krdshrk/Car/umnitza_spectre.jpg

Newer, Better pic!

[aLTeZZa78218]

ahyes, much better :pilot:

[fsu1dolfan]

Nice pic...Still love my Injen though...i got black too....very sexy in engine bay!!!

[Lungoystr]

The weapon-r has ruined people's engines due to metal shavings left inside the intake. I've only heard of 1 incident but still, I don't trust Monster Motorworks/Weapon-R.

The BEST looking intake IMO is the Umnitza that Myself and Eddnog have. Gain-wise, it's not the best... but if you replace the stock piping you'll get similar gains like the others.

I hate to say it, but if people actually take the time to read the instruction for install on the Weapon-R, it specifically tells you to make sure that the inside is free of debris before installation. IMO, this should go without saying with ALL intakes or ANYTHING that you bolt up to your throttle body. Having said that, I love my Weapon-R Secret Weapon Intake and have had no problems with it. I personally think it is an awsome short-ram.

[_Keith_]

Well all of AEM's intake use that new design...

Well its a known fact for those of us that modify cars for a living (yes I do) that aem intakes piping OD is smaller then injens....

I dont know where you have been but for the last year (easly) Injen has been out performing AEM on just about every car.