Rice or not?

[Netterz]

Ok. I want a carbon fiber hatch just for the look, not because it's carbon fiber...on that note -- I was never big on the "fake" carbon fiber but in this case it would save me $600.... if it's done right and it looks exactly like real carbon fiber, should I go for the carbon fiber vinyl? Or not?! Basically will my car look too rice?

[infidel_inside]

Its honestly how you feel about your whip.. If you like it then it shouldn't matter if its rice or not. It's about your individual taste. If i was in your position i would go with real carbon fiber, since it actually serves a purpose, its much lighter then the stock hatch.

[ScIkO*FaErY]

i voted not
but i would personally get the real deal

[STARK_INDUSTRIES]

I would get the real deal but if the vinyl looks just like that same thing and you cant tell the difference go that route and save some dough...

[Mama T]

I have seen some of the carbon fiber vinyl before and I think you can tell the difference....But, maybe it was just the vinyl I was looking at. I do not think it is "rice" to put a carbon fiber hatch on your car....But I would save up and go for the real deal. IMO

But like everyone else said it is your car and you are the only one that has to like it.

[Kurisutaira]

It was my idea that suggested it to netterz to just get a carbon fiber wrap to the rear hatch. i have heard so many problems and see it first hand in how crappy the fitment/alignment/maintenance is for a CF hatch. having to shut the hatch repeatedly for it to catch the pin is nonsense. having to deal with the hatch warping due to excessive sun erosion is nonsense. i just dont see the point of dealing with something important like that and have so many problems with it. so i suggested get the wrap done. coz the guy we are dealing with for our hoodies and hopefully the rest of our work has CF vinyl that is textured to look less like vinyl, it has etches in it to make it look like the weaving of the CF is real. only obvious thing about it is the UV prtoection wont be on it so it lookes like raw CF.

[TRD TC]

i don't think it would be rice .. to me rice is things that just don't go together or way to much things or fake things like those fake air vents and shit .. but like other people say it is your car and the taste you like but i would go with the real deal spend the extra money ... but depending on the style you going with your car will determine if it looks good or not .. not all cars can pull it off depending on there scheme they going with but good luck and keep us posted and updated with what you go with

[Netterz]

i don't think it would be rice .. to me rice is things that just don't go together or way to much things or fake things like those fake air vents and shit .. but like other people say it is your car and the taste you like but i would go with the real deal spend the extra money ... but depending on the style you going with your car will determine if it looks good or not .. not all cars can pull it off depending on there scheme they going with but good luck and keep us posted and updated with what you go with

I want a CF hood and I didn't want a CF hatch BUT I have a black garnish so I wanted to stick with a black spoiler as well so I figured if I have the CF hatch it might blend in nicely...good idea or not?!

[Kurisutaira]

its a good idea by me. as you know i think the quality of the CF hatch for the tC is complete sh!t thats why i suggested just get a cf wrap to the rear hatch

[Luc1f3r]

either real CF or just paint it black....

[Netterz]

either real CF or just paint it black....

Wont it look weird with my whole car BCP , the hatch black and then the hood CF?!

[Kurisutaira]

http://www.decalfx.com/carbon_fiber_2_sample_11.jpg

http://www.decalfx.com/carbon_fiber_2_sample_6.jpg

http://www.decalfx.com/carbon_fiber_2_sample_7.jpg

All these are done with the material i was speaking about. and this also distorts shade at angles to give it the tint look tht CF has. if it was my i'd just get it for the rear hatch and save the $600 on something else. plus you wont have to worry about the hatch messing up later

[aalbertson3]

I have never personally seen vinyl that looks like real carbon fiber. Above pictures included... :?

[infidel_inside]

x2 honestly just buy a quality carbon fiber hatch, I'm sure you can find one around here some where that has a warranty on it against warping ...

[Luc1f3r]

yeah, vinyled CF looks too black.

and you think it would look less goofy to have a real CF hood and fake cf hatch? lol.... just get a real CF hatch. CF isnt about looks its about function, no matter how much marketing may say otherwise....

[DeekDaSneek]

I will say this... I just had a member get one put on. He won't say whether a pro or not put it on,but they messed it up big time. The fitment was horrible,you could see in the trunk through the gap. They messed up the window stripping and replaced it with some kind of black glue/sealant... Then,on the way home Saturday night,his back glass flies off cause of the wind . I guess what I am saying is this:If you go real CF,make sure someone who knows what they're doing puts it on. You don't wanna have to pay for the hatch then the back glass....

[Shortstaxx]

Well if you have a real carbon fiber hood, and then a fake carbon hatch, that would look a bit ricey with it being mismatched...

[Kurisutaira]

All im saying is there is no point wasting $600 or more on a CF hatch thats going to later give you problems. you can talk about warranty all you want whats the point when the seals are sh!tty and the damn thing is warped coz of watever reason. we tend to get a good bit of rain down here so the damage will have already been done coz the seats will have been soaked.
i dont see how having a real CF hatch matters aslong as the damn trunk works the way its supposed to plus its only the rear end anyway so its a small piece.
Functionality outweighs looks.

[Luc1f3r]

I will say this... I just had a member get one put on. He won't say whether a pro or not put it on,but they messed it up big time. The fitment was horrible,you could see in the trunk through the gap. They messed up the window stripping and replaced it with some kind of black glue/sealant... Then,on the way home Saturday night,his back glass flies off cause of the wind . I guess what I am saying is this:If you go real CF,make sure someone who knows what they're doing puts it on. You don't wanna have to pay for the hatch then the back glass....


the seal cannot be reused, but you can buy a new one to use.
ive never seen a cf hatch fit like an oem hatch, much like any cf part... you just have to line it up so the gap on both sides is the same. somehow while being able to see in the trunk water still doesnt get in. tis odd.

oh, and... most shops wont reuse the glass, youll have to buy a new....

[Luc1f3r]

i dont see how having a real CF hatch matters aslong as the damn trunk works the way its supposed to


you do realize this comment negates any car mods, right? put your car back to stock and drive it... it worked the way it was supposted to before you did anything to it. :doh:

[Netterz]

Ugh -- sounds like too many things could go wrong... :(

[DeekDaSneek]

Ok...so...the factory seal can not be reused and he was supposed to buy a replacement glass? Hmm.... I wonder if he knew that? Oh well.... But as long as you get someone who knows what they are doing Netterz,there should be limited problem.

[Netterz]

Ok...so...the factory seal can not be reused and he was supposed to buy a replacement glass? Hmm.... I wonder if he knew that? Oh well.... But as long as you get someone who knows what they are doing Netterz,there should be limited problem.

That'd be the problem -- I don't know someone who knows what they're doing...

[Kurisutaira]

you do realize this comment negates any car mods, right? put your car back to stock and drive it... it worked the way it was supposted to before you did anything to it. :doh:

Pick and chose words as you like as thats not wat i was saying. so to make it clear it would be like if some1 went turbo b4 doing any engine upgrades, its stupid and only a matter of time b4 it causes more harm then good.

as i stated tirelessly b4 NO CF hatch i have seen or heard about yet has been good quality to stand up to opening and closing, and the pressure of opening and closing in conjunction with the sun/heat has lead it to warping and not lining up anymore for it to shut properly.

now if they do like they do with the CF hoods and have a metal framing underneath and then have the CF laid on top then i wuld consider it.ut all the hatches i have seen were completly CF wich is why its prone to warp/fracturing

[Luc1f3r]

where have you every seen a cf/metal hood? that is not a cf hood... cf top coat with a fiberglass frame, yes.. but a metal frame with a cf top coat.... thats not a cf hood... lol.

VIS makes the best you are going to get CF hatch.

like any other CF product, as long as you take care of it, you wont have problems with it. clear it when you get it and every 6-8 months there after and you wont have any issues with it. i havent heard of anyone with "warping" cf products. Fracturing i can see but come on, dont be a retard, its 90% fiberglass and 10% CF, dont drop your hatch/slam/wtvr, close it slowly and controlled and it wont show signs of wear.

Deek - most shops wont reuse glass, there is an 80% chance they will break it trying to remove it, so they usually dont bother. if they can get the glass out 100% perfect, it can be reused. but a new seat would need to be used.

[DeekDaSneek]

Deek - most shops wont reuse glass, there is an 80% chance they will break it trying to remove it, so they usually dont bother. if they can get the glass out 100% perfect, it can be reused. but a new seat would need to be used.

Umm....dude...what do his seats have to do with anything?:laser:

But yeah,I just think he got the same guy that did his turbo to do his hatch....which is why his car is forever breaking down. You might remember him... the riced out turbo tC from NOLA at One Love who's car broke down? LMAO

[Jax84]

Umm....dude...what do his seats have to do with anything?:laser:

But yeah,I just think he got the same guy that did his turbo to do his hatch....which is why his car is forever breaking down. You might remember him... the riced out turbo tC from NOLA at One Love who's car broke down? LMAO

i'm thinking he's meaning "seating" of the seals per tha glass/windows versus actual seats (as in chairs).

imho on tha carbon fiber thing-as long as u take good care of it and maintain it like luci mentioned u should be fine:)

but what u mentioned kuri as an alternative (carbon fiber wrap) thats actually not a bad idea to use on a ride
-i figure if u want less maintaining and just looks then go with the wrap
-but if u truly want a cf item, just to be careful and maintain the item to prolong its use and looks.
there's pros and cons on everything..its just up to the user which route they want to go:)

[Atomsk]

dude if you like it then it doesn't matter what other people think. I know too many people who waste large amounts of money making their cars look cool to other people and they themselves cant stand the way it looks, sounds, and preforms. People will always be haters no matter what you drive, or have on your car. so build your car for you and no one else, if it makes you happy then it doesn't matter.

[Kurisutaira]

where have you every seen a cf/metal hood? that is not a cf hood... cf top coat with a fiberglass frame, yes.. but a metal frame with a cf top coat.... thats not a cf hood... lol.

You really have a narrow mindset on things. before calling some1 a retard try opening yr mind to ideas, maybe do some research b4 you subject yr limited knowledge to people might have some idea of what he/she might be talking about....


My friend Stephen from SCINERGY out in atlanta.....this is his CF hood
http://img.scionlane.com/rides/large/4647.jpg


Now under the hood has a metal chassis, wich allows you to use the factory hood latch. its not the clearest pic but its just enough to see the metal chassis.

http://img.scionlane.com/rides/large/4648.jpg

[Luc1f3r]

thats not metal, its fiberglass, the Kaminari hood has no metal on it. the stock hinges go into fiberglass... here is another pic of the bottom of that hood.

http://b5.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00275/50/20/275500205_l.jpg

please, before you think you know more about tC's then me, do your research, i only run my mouth when i know im right. and i dont recall using the word retard in any post in this thread, but it is becoming fitting.

edit: unless that hood is a knock off, because i dont think kami does colored carbon, but i might be wrong, and i dont think that hood is painted because of the "border" around the edges...? (referring to your friends hood.)

[Kurisutaira]

Its is a kaminari hood and stephens does have metal when i met him i asked if it was metal coz i hit my head on it when i was looking under the hood.

this is one with a metal frame/chasis. the metal chasis is the passenger and driver side and the front where the hood latch is...


http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2961/2041/32401020127_large.jpg

[DeekDaSneek]

i'm thinking he's meaning "seating" of the seals per tha glass/windows versus actual seats (as in chairs).


I know E... but it is my lifelong duty to mess with Luci.... ask him,we signed a contract....it's binding in the lower 48..... :md:

[Kurisutaira]

where have you every seen a cf/metal hood? that is not a cf hood... cf top coat with a fiberglass frame, yes.. but a metal frame with a cf top coat.... thats not a cf hood... lol.

VIS makes the best you are going to get CF hatch.

like any other CF product, as long as you take care of it, you wont have problems with it. clear it when you get it and every 6-8 months there after and you wont have any issues with it. i havent heard of anyone with "warping" cf products. Fracturing i can see but come on, dont be a retard, its 90% fiberglass and 10% CF, dont drop your hatch/slam/wtvr, close it slowly and controlled and it wont show signs of wear.

Deek - most shops wont reuse glass, there is an 80% chance they will break it trying to remove it, so they usually dont bother. if they can get the glass out 100% perfect, it can be reused. but a new seat would need to be used.

well?

[Luc1f3r]

and puerto rico, right deek?

and that hood is not the same as the black one i posted, on the black one you can clearly see a metal strike plate where the hood latch is, like most cf hoods thats the only metal on them.

heres a pic of the bottom of the AIT hood i had on my tC... no metal except the screws...

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f374/orangesuburban/My%20tC/100_2004.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f374/orangesuburban/My%20tC/l_d0569bee08174b4da94f99cda9be2c7d.jpg

[Luc1f3r]

well?
touché, but that comment stands, if you are slamming or dropping CF pieces you are being a bit retarded. :up:

[DeekDaSneek]

and puerto rico, right deek?




We're not supposed to mention Puerto Rico Luci....remember? :bangin:
:lalala:

[Kurisutaira]

not slamming. im all for CF hoods/fenders/sunroofs/headliners. as i stated before i see no reason to waste money on something for reputation when the quality and maintenance just doesnt seem like its worth the purchase
cause the 2 that i have seen for my own eyes and the ones i hear about online, point in the direction as a waste of money and better of simulating the look and keeping the quality/function of the OEM

[Jax84]

I know E... but it is my lifelong duty to mess with Luci.... ask him,we signed a contract....it's binding in the lower 48..... :md:
oh thats cool, lol...

i wonder where i can get one of those contracts too lol.

but yeah i figure the cf parts on any ride are pretty tight to have. be it true cf or a cf wrap. imho just up to tha person ownin tha ride:)

[ScIkO*FaErY]

seriously guys this is way beyond rediculous now

Kuri if you and nette prefer the vinyl at least make sure you do it on the hatch and hood
and not just the hatch cuz if you bought a cf hood later your cf wouldnt match
and im with luci that he knows ALOT about tCs id even trust his say so

but yall are both pushing this into argumentive status and thats not what this thread
was supposed to be about i dont think so stop seeing who can pee the furthest and make nice :p

[Crab o' nasty]

:Coucou11:What she said this was about rice or no rice.

And there is no true answer. Same with your CF wrestling match.

Some hoods are made using the oem skeleton while others are made from a mold. Companies use both depending on cost at the time.

Oem Skeletons can warp from just the adding of the material, but molded frames can come out warped or become warped over time. Both if done right can be nice.

ANY type of fiberglass does this, but with simple up keep you should be fine.

For the Hatch, i have seen really bad ones and really good ones. That is the luck of the draw.
Vo has had one on his car for 3 years with no problems that i know of.
West also has one on his widebody and has had no problems.

SO you guys are spitting into the wind and need to hug it out.:afro:

And luci i can't believe you pulled a pic from the coffin

[Netterz]

Thank you Chris :)


I'm pretty sure I got the answer I needed -- it really wouldn't match if my hood was CF and the hatch wasn't... :( Bye Bye $650.00 :(

Do I need to know anything else about a CF hatch besides don't slam it, etc...

[Luc1f3r]

lmao, sorry for getting this so far "off topic" its not really a pissing match but wtvr.

Deek, i always forget that part!

Crab, the coffin hasnt been buried yet so the pics are still easy to get to!

netterz, keep in mind that the glass will weigh more then the hatch, so open it with care also. buy new struts! (totally forgot this part!) the tC has 2 sets of struts from the factory those ment for an OEM hatch and those ment for an OEM hatch with the pedestal spoiler.... NEITHER should be used with a cf hatch, search here i know HAWGS from arkansas bought the different struts and im pretty sure posted the part numbers on here... but NAPA sells struts that will work on the tC but are considerably weaker so that you dont bend the hatch because the struts are too strong.

also, as i said, CLEAR COAT! your hood and hatch should get new clear ATLEAST once a year, more often if you live in a bright/dry area.

[vettereddie]

Just saw this post up, and honestly CF vinyl is "rice", at least by my understanding. The floating definition I use is - Rice is a vehicle modification that simulates the look of a performance enhancement without providing a performance gain. I.e., you put on CF vinyl but don't get a weight savings, it's fake, ergo, rice. Same class as loud axle-backs with no flow increase, non-functional scoops, rediculously oversized spoilers, etc.

I've never been a big fan of CF anyway, it's way overused and the dash kits and door molding are just pointless. Clear coat every year, Luci are you serious? I don't know anyone who would want to have to send their car to a body shop annually for a repaint, even for just CF panels.

Have you thought about just solid-colored vinyl? I've seen a few examples of people doing half-wraps, etc when they didn't want to do a pernament paint job and they look excellent, I did not know it was a wrap until the owner pointed it out.

If I had a light colored tC, I think a black hatch, black hood, black mid-bumper fill would look pretty good, and really like the panda look on a white one.

[Luc1f3r]

Clear coat every year, Luci are you serious? I don't know anyone who would want to have to send their car to a body shop annually for a repaint, even for just CF panels.


once you invest in cf you have to take care of it. and clearcoat isnt a paint job, it takes maybe 2 hours to strip old clear off, reclear, drive away. its no big deal.

[LugaO]

Voted rice. :)

[gold_rush]

not rice,but hell this is sc,lol,you got honda hatches with stacks on them(will find proof later!!),the bad thing Nette is that when they go inside of the hatch their not going to wrap all the way around the inside seeing as we have 4 vinyl wrapped vehicals for our bussiness i have seen many and i mean many things they do not cover,as in doorjams(hatch trim in this case) and there would be fading more often then real deal cf.

[Aurora]

I'd say work with your budget. I agree with the concept that if you think it looks good on your ride, then rock it! So, to save yourself some $600 (which you could buy some other stuff for your ride with), I'd do the carbon fiber vynil wrap.

[1KlntC07]

I wouldnt do the vinyl ever. Seen that stuff in person, once you get it in the sun with weather and stuff it looks terrible. Not to mention all the bubbles you would have to get out. I think you would jack up the vinyl before you got it flat and without bubbles. If you want CF buy the real thing. You get what you pay for. A little upkeep goes along way, you wont have problems with it if you take care of it, just like anything else.

I just bought a seibon one and let me tell you, its amazing quality. Only thing I recommend is buying different shocks for it, because the stock shocks are too strong. Go to your local napa and get 2 of part # 819-5590. These are lower PSI shocks that will allow the hatch to close properly. Also, swapping glass should only run you about $75 bucks and most shops will put on new urethane sealant.

I'm going to be installing mine this next week, so if you have questions on installing or whatever hit me up.

[Netterz]

not rice,but hell this is sc,lol,you got honda hatches with stacks on them(will find proof later!!),the bad thing Nette is that when they go inside of the hatch their not going to wrap all the way around the inside seeing as we have 4 vinyl wrapped vehicals for our bussiness i have seen many and i mean many things they do not cover,as in doorjams(hatch trim in this case) and there would be fading more often then real deal cf.

^^ Damn good point -- never thought of that.


I wouldnt do the vinyl ever. Seen that stuff in person, once you get it in the sun with weather and stuff it looks terrible. Not to mention all the bubbles you would have to get out. I think you would jack up the vinyl before you got it flat and without bubbles. If you want CF buy the real thing. You get what you pay for. A little upkeep goes along way, you wont have problems with it if you take care of it, just like anything else.

I just bought a seibon one and let me tell you, its amazing quality. Only thing I recommend is buying different shocks for it, because the stock shocks are too strong. Go to your local napa and get 2 of part # 819-5590. These are lower PSI shocks that will allow the hatch to close properly. Also, swapping glass should only run you about $75 bucks and most shops will put on new urethane sealant.

I'm going to be installing mine this next week, so if you have questions on installing or whatever hit me up.

^ Did you buy the hatch or a hood?! I've heard worse about hatches which is why I'm tweaking out about it lol

[1KlntC07]

I have the kaminari cf reverse cowl hood and just bought the seibon cf hatch

[jayydm]

Get the overlay, I have a vis cf hatch and hood and it has gaps on both sides. It is painted over with color in the clear so it still shows the cf weave and matches the color of my car but its a lot of work keeping up with it.

[jayydm]

Also it would be better saving $600 for other mods cf hood, rims stuff like that. But just make sure the vinyl is done correctly and doesn't have bubbles in it.

[JDub86]

I am in the same boat man. I already have the CF lip kit, and I want to get a CF hood to match, then later the CF hatch. But I have heard a ton of horror stories about how bad the hatch fits and its insanely expensive.

So I understand where you are comin from, if it looks the same, or pretty close, then get the wrap.

[Big-Kokujin]

I know a guy with it on his hatch and hood. You can tell its not real but it still looks good. If you like it do it...

[Doughboy]

i would get the real thing or paint the hatch gloss black, gives the same apperance unless your upclose, not ricey and cheaper

[MichaelPBOK]

Anything you get carbon fiber or a carbon fiber looking for aesthetic appeal is rice.

[Big-Kokujin]

Nice first post lame-o

so a carbon fiber hood and hatch just for looks is rice? Ha. I don't think you can get things that "a carbon fiber looking" either. Lol

get a life. You obviously joined just to post that.

[B0x_B0y]

get the real deal! you will lose so much weight!

[Netterz]

I'm a little offended you called me fat :boxing:


But it would make up for chubby rims....hmmmmm :ponder:

[B0x_B0y]

hahaha my bad :robot: (no reason behind this emoticon it is just so badass)

but anyway...

I was thinking about getting a cf hood,wing, and visors for my xB. I got a slammin deal for all of it (200$) =) but I am not trying to be a ricer what so ever I just want the look of it to be honest and the cf hood will be a nice weight losss for me =) But I think the CF in general isnt really ricey but like the non oem stuff in my opinion is... but that is what I gotta say.

so what did you end up doing?

[Netterz]

Still debating -- I know what hood I want but I think it looks too "mean" with just the stock body...so I'm working on a body kit too...crazy, I know, but I'm really OCD and I'm kind of nervous about the CF hood not fitting correctly on my car....I've seen one person's fit and one person's not fit, with my personal experiences so I'm kind of hesitant...

[MichaelPBOK]

Nice first post lame-o

so a carbon fiber hood and hatch just for looks is rice? Ha. I don't think you can get things that "a carbon fiber looking" either. Lol

get a life. You obviously joined just to post that.

Yeah I think getting it for looks is rice.

And you can get Carbon Fiber vinyl.
http://www.amazon.com/R3-Carbon-Fiber-Vinyl-Sheet/dp/B0019HR0XS

If you're going to get a carbon fiber hood. Get something good and reputable because anything else is going to flop around while you drive.

[DeadCannon]

Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement

[CXTKRS1]

Rice is the mindset of the driver IMO.

[Aurora]

Rice is the mindset of the driver IMO.

Here here

[HighToy]

just an FYI... The majority of "carbon fiber" parts out there are actually graphite. Real carbon fiber panels need to be painted otherwise they discolor in the sun after a while turning a yellowish color. ;)

[HighToy]

Rice is the mindset of the driver IMO.

True but it's also a 3story spoiler on a front wheel drive car, Folgers exhaust tip and mismatched ground effects. haha

[HammeredRooster]

If you're going to get a carbon fiber hood. Get something good and reputable because anything else is going to flop around while you drive.

Agreed. I will see if I can find a pic of mine before starting all the work.

[Atc_07]

Save up and get the real deal. If youre gonna do it, do it right the first time. Anyway, I like rice, I cook rice, and I definitely eat rice. Lol.