Espelir lowering springs

[ianopium]

Does anyone have these lowering springs?
or
Know of them?
basically
i would love some opinions/reviews on this kit
like
how it rides, wheel rubbing? too low/not low enough
because
i want to go a little lower than the 1.5in drop from the TRD springs, but from what i've heard, 2inch drops cause problems,
ex) the eibach kit causing inevitable wheel rub

I have the stock wheels & i'm keeping the stock struts & i'm worried more about look than overall preformance, but both would be nice

[asphaltrunner]

Does anyone have these lowering springs?
or
Know of them?
basically
i would love some opinions/reviews on this kit
like
how it rides, wheel rubbing? too low/not low enough
because
i want to go a little lower than the 1.5in drop from the TRD springs, but from what i've heard, 2inch drops cause problems,
ex) the eibach kit causing inevitable wheel rub

I have the stock wheels & i'm keeping the stock struts & i'm worried more about look than overall preformance, but both would be nice


How many miles are on your struts, and how do you drive it? If you have more than 60K on your struts/springs, and like to drive hard...replace both. Even if you go over lots of speed bumps, and potholes (big no no to the last one) i'd recommend replacing them.

People will argue this I'm sure, but it's a moot point. Replacing stock springs with aftermarket ones, while retaining your stock struts will not last forever. As a matter of fact, you'll probably have to replace them w/n 10k miles.

As far as the brand. They're reputable. They aren't big here in the states, but I'd buy them. Eibach springs are great springs, but they WILL cause you to wheel rub w/o the proper struts. The only exception to this rule, and this may go for other cars as well, is if you get a "-s/-r/-gtr/-gt" model car. These cars already have modified struts, so dropping them a bit, won't do too much damage. Case in point: an 06 RSX-Type-S, will not rub with Eibach S-Techs after 15K miles.

[DeadCannon]

There is an active thread about lowering springs. There is some info about Espilir there. Their drop is only 1.6 iirc though.

[TrishaDisha]

yeah :( my eibachs make me rub. stupid springs.

[ianopium]

yeah :( my eibachs make me rub. stupid springs.

yeah, you're the one i'm talking about, hahaha

[ianopium]

How many miles are on your struts, and how do you drive it? If you have more than 60K on your struts/springs, and like to drive hard...replace both. Even if you go over lots of speed bumps, and potholes (big no no to the last one) i'd recommend replacing them.

People will argue this I'm sure, but it's a moot point. Replacing stock springs with aftermarket ones, while retaining your stock struts will not last forever. As a matter of fact, you'll probably have to replace them w/n 10k miles.

As far as the brand. They're reputable. They aren't big here in the states, but I'd buy them. Eibach springs are great springs, but they WILL cause you to wheel rub w/o the proper springs. The only exception to this rule, and this may go for other cars as well, is if you get a "-s/-r/-gtr/-gt" model car. These cars already have modified struts, so dropping them a bit, won't do too much damage. Case in point: an 06 RSX-Type-S, will not rub with Eibach S-Techs after 15K miles.

Thank you, this helps ALOTTTT. I only have 27k on my car, i do go over a lot of speed bumps, but i take them real slow and pot holes aren't thattt big of a problem.
But.. i think i'm going to go with the Tein H-Tech springs, they drop it a little lower and i have gotten only good reviews. I'm gonna stick with the stock struts until i get the funds to put the TRD struts, or just get coil overs

thanks

[DeadCannon]

A guy in my chapter has the sportlines and wheel spacers. If Chris isn't rubbing I wouldn't think you would. Unless something is wrong.

[ianopium]

thanks, that makes me feel way better!

[dropzone]

There is an active thread about lowering springs. There is some info about Espilir there. Their drop is only 1.6 iirc though.

Espelir springs have never came to mind and didn't think they were even offered for the tC. I don't think I've read of anyone getting them either. A lot go Tein, TRD, Eibach, other big name or step it up to adjustable coilovers.

[DeadCannon]

Espelir does make springs for the tC. Do you think I just said they are a 1.6" drop just to sound cool? According to the link I posted in Ianopium's OTHER THREAD ABOUT SPRINGS the Espelir set is a 1.6" drop front and rear and 168F/196R spring rates.

[dropzone]

Espelir does make springs for the tC. Do you think I just said they are a 1.6" drop just to sound cool? According to the link I posted in Ianopium's OTHER THREAD ABOUT SPRINGS the Espelir set is a 1.6" drop front and rear and 168F/196R spring rates.

I think when I glanced over that list it had that Sharpie'd out like top secret documents lol. If he's looking for in between 1.5"-2" drop Progress is at 1.8 all four corners. The only problem about going with a drop of 2" or more is the handling will not be as great as the 1.5". Looks like I might have to find the thread on Scionlife talking about it as they get technical talking of suspension geometry.

And this should have stayed in the OG thread, no need to complicate things make double threads of the same things. It's bad for when people search and see a million threads of the same thing.

[ianopium]

yeahh.. i guess i didn't see the other thread, haha, my bad.

Do you know if the progress springs settle very much? i've heard of other kits settling .2 0r .3 inches after about a year.
And does the 2in drop really affect handling that much?

[DeadCannon]

As far as handling is concerned, a lot of the serious autoX guys seem to think the magic number is 1.4". At a 1.4" drop the (I can't remember if this is the proper term) control arm is parallel to the ground.

Ian, you started the other thread :-P

[ianopium]

hahahahahahaa, well i didn't see the original then, haha. but yeah, i'm not concerned with racing and shit, i just want it to look sexxyy. There's this guy in my chapter (or whatever it's called) that has the Tein S techs, and even tho they put the car a litttllee bit lower than my comfort zone, (which is why i'm really concidering the H techs) but he hasn't had a problem with them and he says they handle great.

[Jax84]

Does anyone have these lowering springs?
or
Know of them?
basically
i would love some opinions/reviews on this kit
like
how it rides, wheel rubbing? too low/not low enough
because
i want to go a little lower than the 1.5in drop from the TRD springs, but from what i've heard, 2inch drops cause problems,
ex) the eibach kit causing inevitable wheel rub

I have the stock wheels & i'm keeping the stock struts & i'm worried more about look than overall preformance, but both would be nice
espilir made by mackin industries out of japan. same people that make volks, rays. good reputable brand but i havent seen a lot of people using them on tc's.

have u thought about possibly tanabe? one thing i will say i do like the drop/stance the tein s techs give on tha tc imo.

[dropzone]

espilir made by mackin industries out of japan. same people that make volks, rays.

Mackin Industries are just distributors.
http://www.mackinindustries.com/index.html

Continuing on...this should help answer much of your Q's
http://scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47974

I just went to the last page on this thread(page 9)
http://scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174740&highlight=geometry&page=9

If you plan to autocross then yes I'd go for a 1.5" or close to it drop. If it's daily driven go for what you'd like to get. Yes my car came with TRD springs but I want my car lower. Still deciding on what I want to go with though.

[Jax84]

Mackin Industries are just distributors.
http://www.mackinindustries.com/index.html

Continuing on...this should help answer much of your Q's
http://scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47974
cool thanks for tha correction.

good info u posted up per that link via scion life regarding springs/suspension for tha tc.

[DeadCannon]

The problem I have with tanabe, and Espelir now that I've looked, is that their rear spring rate is softer than stock. I almost bought some DF210s a couple months ago, before I saw that.