XB Engine Swap

[otaku_d]

Mina konichiwa! (Hello everyone!)... This will be my first ever new topic posting... banzai (hurray) :bash:

It's nothing to be proud of, but back in July of 05' I was an idiot and blew the stock enigne out of my xB. :oops: Long story short, rod in cylinder 1 snapped, came up and smashed the head. Valves in cylinders 1, 3 and 4 were bent beyond repair. The tiny little 1.5liter engine couldn't handle the power that I was trying to pull out of it.

The engine currently installed in my now JDM bB was shipped from Japan out of a wrecked 03' xA (mileage unknown). :blink2: I am probably the first and only idiot that threw an engine out of a box in the US. It has nice power, does not meet emissions, but I want more.

I am looking to do another swap for a more powerful engine but looking for a larger liter 4-cylinder or 6-cylinder N/A. :wohow: I really don't want to mess around with compression and turbines on a supercharged or turbo vehicle. Dose anyone know of someone who has done a swap before? What did they swap the 1.5 with? Was it difficult to do? Looking for ideas and tips. Dasukete! (Please help!)

Domo arigato onigaishimas! (Thank you very much!)

[whatmovesu]

There is a MR2 swap on scionlife.com

[Krdshrk]

Toss in a tC engine?

[otaku_d]

I just heard about a Celica V6 swap... Sugae! (Sweet!)

[Retro Style]

btw, it is Domo Arigatou Gozaimasu (Thank you very much!) :bash:

Sorry, had to point that out being that my second language is Japanese and I lived there :lol:

[dfwaltima]

Well, have you looked into ethanol injection?? or maybe into E85?? Personally i would say look into that, you can build the 1.5 to a high compression motor to be able to squeeze out more power. It would more than likely run you about the same price as a swap would be, maybe a lil cheaper, but yeah the E85 will allow you to run higher compression, you would have to change the injectors to run more fuel, also youll have to do something about tunning, but that come with any car that you are trying to get power out of. E10 is what people are causing the big stink about. E85 is can be consider race gas since every 10% ethanol add about 3 octance points to the regular gas.

[otaku_d]

I just started learning Japanese and thought it would be kewl to add to my posts. Correct me if I spell of say something wrong, not many people in Northern Minnesota to correct me (live in middle of farmland).

I have heard of people converting the little 1.5 into a diesel powered engine before, but I am not familiar with E85. Isn't that the same stuff that they are marketing for cars to save our depleting oil supply? The racing fuel is also an issue, wanna keep the box as street legal as possible or at least keep it under wraps.

[transformerxa]

some one swapped a japanesse Scarlet motor from japan. it was turbo and i think it pushed 176hp and 197 for the tourqe. that would be like a 75% increse in power.

[Haxx]

this may be a little off topic but how the **** did you manage to blow your motor?

[dfwaltima]

some one swapped a japanesse Scarlet motor from japan. it was turbo and i think it pushed 176hp and 197 for the tourqe. that would be like a 75% increse in power.

tim you mean starlet.

[dfwaltima]

I just started learning Japanese and thought it would be kewl to add to my posts. Correct me if I spell of say something wrong, not many people in Northern Minnesota to correct me (live in middle of farmland).

I have heard of people converting the little 1.5 into a diesel powered engine before, but I am not familiar with E85. Isn't that the same stuff that they are marketing for cars to save our depleting oil supply? The racing fuel is also an issue, wanna keep the box as street legal as possible or at least keep it under wraps.

E85 is street legal, some states have stations that carry it at the pump, ford makes a few cars that are E85 compatible. the ecu learns how to readjust when you fill up with E85. if you want to read up about it go to e85fuel.com. remember what you will read on the net will be the enviromental BS, however looking passed that, and taking the content of the fuel, you will be able to run a higher compression motor, again, tunning is the BIGGEST key on making a car go fast, well that and the head.

[cz3ch]

Well, have you looked into ethanol injection?? or maybe into E85?? Personally i would say look into that, you can build the 1.5 to a high compression motor to be able to squeeze out more power. It would more than likely run you about the same price as a swap would be, maybe a lil cheaper, but yeah the E85 will allow you to run higher compression, you would have to change the injectors to run more fuel, also youll have to do something about tunning, but that come with any car that you are trying to get power out of. E10 is what people are causing the big stink about. E85 is can be consider race gas since every 10% ethanol add about 3 octance points to the regular gas.

Why would you run any sort of alky injection on a N/A car? Enriching the fuel mixture a tiny bit (which is what the injection will do) will not do much for you

[dfwaltima]

not talking about running a additinal alchy injection, im talking about changing over to support the E85 fuel. then building the engine N/A to be able to run high compression. I dont suggest the E85 to cool the motor down, i suggest it becuase of the capabilities that it has, and the pros that it has.

i was trained on Alternative Fuel by Les Mactaggart, he is the Indy Car Senior Technical Director, they are currently running the E85 on their Indy car, and looking to change to a 100% Enthanol next season, it has been tested and proven.

[otaku_d]

Thanks for the better explaination, I will have to look into that. Not sure of any stations that actually sell E85 around where I live, must start searching.
:thanks:

To explain to Haxx: :x:

It's nothing to be proud of, but back in July of 05' I was an idiot and blew the stock enigne out of my xB. Long story short, rod in cylinder 1 snapped, came up and smashed the head. Valves in cylinders 1, 3 and 4 were bent beyond repair. The tiny little 1.5liter engine couldn't handle the power that I was trying to pull out of it.
I was out having fun with a group of people that frequent a farmland area with some nice bank/curved corners on some back-roads in Central MN. I was with a GTP on a 2-mile handicaped match. While coming out of the last corner towards the end, the engine blew. I was shifting from third to fourth gear then heard a loud bang and thought oh S#it. I was able to coast to the end and finish first, but I couldn?t get it started after that. At least I got the tow money covered by the guy in the GTP that night.

The xB at the time had a programmer, close ratio transmission, TRD twin plate racing clutch, TRD sport shifter, Waydo Sportivo struts/shocks, TRD springs, Racing Heart 18? rims with Perelli tread, Injen cold air intake, HP Racing header, and an Espilir racing exhaust.

Don't make fun? :( at least I learned from it. The current engine that I found was installed by the dealer, but re-enforced by a local tuner shop that I trust. They took all the parts off the old engine and added them to the new one, along with some other goodies that they found for me.

[midnightxb]

id put a nissan sr20 motor black top for an xb

[um_lunchbox]

You could always beat me to the punch and put a Turbo charged Rotary in it .. Be one of the first FWD rotary Boxes ...

[THEWIFE]

um_lunchbox, dude thats the best idea i have ever heard.. are you puerto rican or something. LOL. i love me some rotaries. my bro had a 12A with a Holley 850 and a 50shot that ran 10's in a datsun.

[um_lunchbox]

No not Rican, just old enough to have grown up with the jamaicans that use to port the hell out of em and drop em in everything. It's the only engine mod I would consider and it is possible. In fact your stock tranny will hold up to 225 HP. Either way, as soon as I can afford another major mod .. its going in there.

[otaku_d]

DAMN! never thought of that... Was thinking of a high rev Toyota TRD racing engine! An AE111 4A-GE 20 valve engine has approximately 175bhp at the flywheel.

[um_lunchbox]

If you want high rev's, how about 12K out of a rotary ? Trust me its a high impact mod, and far from impossible.

[midnightxb]

yeah that would be bad ass

[dfwaltima]

No not Rican, just old enough to have grown up with the jamaicans that use to port the hell out of em and drop em in everything. It's the only engine mod I would consider and it is possible. In fact your stock tranny will hold up to 225 HP. Either way, as soon as I can afford another major mod .. its going in there.

Got ya.. but only one thing.. Full bridgeport is where is at. LOL.

I saw a 12A in a civic once, the poor lil engine looked sooooo lonely in there. LOL.

Would you do a 13b-rew?

[um_lunchbox]

Notoriously the 12a's have always come out better in the realm of porting, but hell if ya want to standout, then go tri rotor and blow the world away .. it would be a tight ass squeeze, but may be possible.

What I love about the conversion is that once settled, the intake and exhaust line up just like the stock xB's. All you would see in the bay is the color matched rotors and the shiny intake manifold with the dual carburetors, not to mention the momma honkin turbo staring ya in the face.

Oh the looks ... :shock: :up: :loveit:

[dfwaltima]

Yeah, a lot of people dont believe in the 12A's too much, but i have seen some quick ones. but if you want to go balls out why not a 20B. :rofl:

and you mean color matched HOUSINGS.. LOL.

[THansenite]

I have always wanted to see a rotary powered Scion. I have a 79 RX7 sitting at home with a 12A in it that I am trying to get running reliably. If you get a nice straight through exhaust with that rotary, you can have a flame-throwing box. That would be freaking awesome.

[um_lunchbox]

I can't imagine the looks on peoples faces .. :shock: when they here the trade mark bark of a ported rotary inside a box.

[otaku_d]

that would be sweet!

[Xenon_tC]

twin turbo 2jz-gte w/ rwd conversion :D :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[xscionB]

Never thought of a rotary in a box... hmmm... rwd conversion.... :up: HELL YEAH!!!!

[Haxx]

i was just gonna do a 2zz swap haha